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'Long overdue': Negro Leagues now part of Major League Baseball, stats counted in MLB records [barf alert]
NBC News ^ | 12/16/20 | David K. Li

Posted on 12/17/2020 6:40:12 PM PST by foreverfree

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To: foreverfree

Many radio game announcers would refer to Negro League stats when covering a game. White Sox as among the first to also brake the ban.


21 posted on 12/17/2020 7:24:50 PM PST by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: Brookhaven
by changing their name to the Atlanta Crackers—which was the name of the negro league team in Atlanta.

Wrong.

The Atlanta Crackers were white (and played their last season in Atlanta Stadium, later known as Atlanta - Fulton County Stadium) before being dispaced by the Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta/Vinings Braves.

You are actually thinking of the Atlanta Black Falcons.

If you had seen the players for the two teams, you would NOT have been confused about which team for which each played.

22 posted on 12/17/2020 7:25:54 PM PST by PAR35
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To: foreverfree

This is really only a problem because of Interleague Play, which is why I stopped watching baseball for 20+ years.

Before Interleague Play, all the records outside of the World Series were contained within the leagues themselves. Yes, Ruth’s HR records and Gehrig’s Iron Man record are recognized as all MLB, but the vast majority of stats: batting crowns, ERA leader, etc. are thought of in terms of the player’s league, as the leagues never played each other outside of the World Series.

Since the Negro Leagues were not included in the World Series, those records are untouched. The rest of the records can be regarded as within their leagues, where they are certainly valid.

The kind of all MLB records likely to go to a Negro Leaguer (e.g. most strikeouts in a game) are likely to be followed only by hardcore baseball stat fans who will know the context.


23 posted on 12/17/2020 7:26:35 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Alberta's Child

I loved when Imus would have the Marge Schott impersonator on!


24 posted on 12/17/2020 7:28:52 PM PST by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: foreverfree

Should have done this years ago.

At this point, however, I’m not that interested anymore in professional sports for a variety of reasons.

I’ll watch a few minutes here or there, but meh.


25 posted on 12/17/2020 7:29:03 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Now the color barrier is in basketball and football.


26 posted on 12/17/2020 7:30:23 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: foreverfree

Baseball... I seem to recall that stupid sport... before the world went crazy even I used to watch that nonsense...


27 posted on 12/17/2020 7:31:23 PM PST by Professional ( )
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To: foreverfree

But what of the “Old Negro Space Program” ?


28 posted on 12/17/2020 7:35:22 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: foreverfree

But what of the “Old Negro Space Program” ?


29 posted on 12/17/2020 7:35:22 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: edh
I wonder if anyone looked into Negro League owners being against integration. It seems to me that they would have had a vested interest in not letting their stars go to MLB. That’d kill their narrative though
Interestingly, The Bingo Long Travling All Stars and Motor Kings, starring Richard Pryor about an all Black independent barnstorming baseball team. The movie did depict the owners of the Negro League teams as tyrannical, like SLAVE DRIVERS who were opposed to integrating the Major Leagues more than anyone else. They saw someone like Jackie Robinson being bad for business.
30 posted on 12/17/2020 7:36:01 PM PST by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: Impala64ssa

My Bingo Long rookie card just quadrupled in value


31 posted on 12/17/2020 7:42:51 PM PST by Phil DiBasquette
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To: foreverfree

We saw the Negro League exhibit at the Baseball Hall of Fame. One artifact I remember was an excerpt from a medical journal published at the end of WW2 arguing against integrating the Major Leagues on the grounds Blacks are athletically INFERIOR to Whites. This is what “modern settled science” told us a relatively short 75 yrs ago. Never mind that Joe Louis, Jesse Owens, Wilma Rudolph, Satchell Paige and many others already blew that myth to smithereens. Now “modern settled science” tells us man made climate change is real and masks save lives. Trust the science 🤔🙄😖😖


32 posted on 12/17/2020 7:46:15 PM PST by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: foreverfree

Other than it making you nauseous for some unspecified reason, you have failed utterly to articulate any justification at all for your objection, thus forgoing any effort at persuading anyone to agree with your position. Perhaps you’d now like to rectify your omission for our benefit.


33 posted on 12/17/2020 7:48:19 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Brookhaven

Cracker will be fine. No such thing as racism against whites. /s


34 posted on 12/17/2020 7:51:49 PM PST by Abbeville Conservative (Preventing the theft of the 2020 Presidential Election is that hill we've talked about)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, as a matter of fact there is.

Depending on how these stats are reported, it could taint the
entire database.

Leagues play within a closed environment against a set ‘quality’
of other teams. When you toss in a non-like field of
competition, it skews comparisons.

Team X plays against 12 teams that eleven other teams play
against. In this closed environment stats are open for
fair comparison.

If you toss in teams that played against a different set
of leagues, with inferior or even superior competition, you
have just opened yourself up to making some teams and
players look worse or better by comparison.


35 posted on 12/17/2020 7:54:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I'm calling for terrorist and criminal reform. Defund them now.)
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To: foreverfree

Looks like we have a new homerun champion, Josh Gibson.


36 posted on 12/17/2020 7:58:09 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: DoughtyOne
When you toss in a non-like field of competition, it skews comparisons.

You mean like this?:


37 posted on 12/17/2020 7:58:21 PM PST by Kenny Bania (Ovaltine? Why not call it Roundtine?)
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To: Kenny Bania

Wut?..he ate right and exercised...


38 posted on 12/17/2020 7:59:03 PM PST by Professional ( )
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To: Impala64ssa

Now they flipped it that whites are inferior athletes. Also horseshit.


39 posted on 12/17/2020 7:59:18 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: Karl Spooner

Actually, no. Apparently his Negro League career only included 240+ home runs. All the myths about him hitting 800 home runs include off-season barnstorming tours that were common back in those days but have no relevance to league records.


40 posted on 12/17/2020 8:00:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("There's somebody new and he sure ain't no rodeo man.")
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