The word "wrap" indicates something tight around the body.
Posted on 12/05/2020 5:58:58 AM PST by Kaslin
But the one question no one asks, if it was created in the Middle ages is WHO would subject themselves to the brutal torture depicted?
That name would be recorded in antiquities as an example of ultimate sacrifice.Yet only one man, throughout history, has been named to have suffered as the man depicted on the shroud.
Jesus Christ
I find it interesting how the foundation of some religions have no physical proof. From the golden plates of scripture of one to the body of another, they are all gone. Gee. How convenient.
I believe in God. I also believe that his being will never be proven to us until we die. We have a continuing test of our character as we live; we will then be judged for all we did and all we should have done. I do not believe in forgiveness; we will pay for all our sins.
So we have a question. Why are some people so focused on a shroud? If you already believe in God, you don’t need a shroud, especially one that’s history is highly questionable, totally open to speculation and subject to financial dealings. I don’t need any validation of my beliefs, which are the result of long study and prayer.
Have a wonderful day!
Good question. Posting an occasional article on something does not mean someone is "so focused" on it. If something is interesting and perhaps has some implication for our lives makes people want to learn more about it. You yourself would not have clicked on this thread if you didn't have some interest in the topic, even if it was a negative interest.
If you already believe in God, you don’t need a shroud..."
That's true, but nobody has said that the Shroud is necessary to ones faith. But some things can be useful without being strictly necessary.
...especially one that’s history is highly questionable, totally open to speculation and subject to financial dealings.
The history of the Shroud, because of it's purported antiquity, of course has a long but not undocumented history. None of it proves that his is the Shroud of Jesus, but an honest evaluation of the facts shows that the Shroud in and of itself defies scientific explanation. See the links provided above. Also, there's no evidence that anyone gets rich off of the Shroud. That is simply an unsubstantiated slur.
I don’t need any validation of my beliefs, which are the result of long study and prayer.
See my post #4. May God bless you.
Your belief, your choice.
Have a nice day.
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me.
Unlike roads and trails on earth that may lead many to the same end point, there is a singular way to the Creator God Almighty.
No man of natural birth can meet His standard. Hence, He came as a man to pay for those who cannot pay themselves. That’s all of us.
To those who call on Him and His atoning payment, He erases their debt as paid in full. And to those who accept His payment, He adopts into everladting life.
So, His blood for yours. If you chose to reject that payment, indeed, you will be judged. As for me, my payment wad extracted in His body and His blood. I am free.
It’s not hard to find this in the new testament.
Peace.
Before you ask what it is, you need to reasonably establish if it is. In other words, what is the earliest date you can peg it to in the verifiable historical time stream.
What verifiable Church writers mention the item? Clement I? No. Origen? No. Tertullian? No. Augustine? No. Jerome? No. Aquinas? No.
That gets you well into the 13th Century. If it existed before that, nobody seems to have known about it.
That fact that they did not mention the Shroud is not proof that it did not exist or even that they did not know of it. There were lots of things that existed in the world that they didn't discuss, probably because they were not in contention in their times. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Yes, it is evidence of absence. Evidence is data that points you in one direction or another. There is zero data (evidence) that I am aware of for the existence of this item before the 14th Century. Zero data is zero data.
Here is a suggestion I bet no one has thought of (yeah, right).
Isolate and sequence DNA from the flax fibers.
Compute the genetic drift to modern flax from Israel and from ancient samples of known provenance.
There are people who believe the 5th through 13th Centuries never happened, because of lack of evidence ;-)
Ducking...
Jesus was buried by two men, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea. The Bible records that some women were observing the process. There's nothing about anyone being "confused" or anyone doing anything "hurriedly".
What practice are you referring to that "doesn't allowed for anyone to pick up a body, lay it down on a VERY large and flat sheet, and fold it over the body"?
Your "analysis" is rather puzzling to say the least.
Yes, it is evidence of absence.
I suppose you could say it's evidence, but it's not particularly convincing evidence.
A new school of Bible scholarship came about in the 18th and 19th centuries that concluded the New Testament had been written long after the events and had many fictional elements. That was the start of "liberal" Christian theology. For example, Pontius Pilate was regarded as fictitious, because they couldn't find any historical evidence for him.
The Bible was the only identified source that talked about Pontius Pilate as being governor of Judea. As a result, many people questioned whether he ever truly held that position up until 1961, when the Italian archaeologist, Dr Frova discovered a limestone block while he was excavating an ancient theatre near Caesarea Maritima. Although the inscription had actually been partly removed, enough remained of its Latin writing, which when translated, displayed; Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea, precisely how the gospel author Matthew defined him. Keep in mind, Prefect is the Latin title, Governor is its English equivalent.
Since then more historical information about Pilate has been discovered. Now nobody alleges he was fictional.
Ping
So commandments are reduced to suggestions.
I chose to not succumb to such arguments, much less bet my soul.
I believe it was his tenure as Governor of Judah that was regarded as fictitious, rather than being a totally made up person.
The word "wrap" indicates something tight around the body.
Stop making things up.
And you belong to a rubber room
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