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To: fidelis
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yes, it is evidence of absence. Evidence is data that points you in one direction or another. There is zero data (evidence) that I am aware of for the existence of this item before the 14th Century. Zero data is zero data.

28 posted on 12/05/2020 1:45:27 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill

There are people who believe the 5th through 13th Centuries never happened, because of lack of evidence ;-)

Ducking...


30 posted on 12/05/2020 3:37:14 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (White Privilege does NOT begin with Being White but when you ACT "WHITE"! -- ACT "WHITE"!)
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To: Poison Pill
I don't know why they would have mentioned it. Those people were theologians. No theology comes out of the Shroud of Turin. Also the remarkable characteristics of it have only been discovered in modern times. They weren't aware of those things.

Yes, it is evidence of absence.

I suppose you could say it's evidence, but it's not particularly convincing evidence.

A new school of Bible scholarship came about in the 18th and 19th centuries that concluded the New Testament had been written long after the events and had many fictional elements. That was the start of "liberal" Christian theology. For example, Pontius Pilate was regarded as fictitious, because they couldn't find any historical evidence for him.

The Bible was the only identified source that talked about Pontius Pilate as being governor of Judea. As a result, many people questioned whether he ever truly held that position up until 1961, when the Italian archaeologist, Dr Frova discovered a limestone block while he was excavating an ancient theatre near Caesarea Maritima. Although the inscription had actually been partly removed, enough remained of its Latin writing, which when translated, displayed; Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea, precisely how the gospel author Matthew defined him. Keep in mind, Prefect is the Latin title, Governor is its English equivalent.

Since then more historical information about Pilate has been discovered. Now nobody alleges he was fictional.

33 posted on 12/05/2020 7:48:24 PM PST by lasereye
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