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To: Hulka; fidelis

I find it interesting how the foundation of some religions have no physical proof. From the golden plates of scripture of one to the body of another, they are all gone. Gee. How convenient.

I believe in God. I also believe that his being will never be proven to us until we die. We have a continuing test of our character as we live; we will then be judged for all we did and all we should have done. I do not believe in forgiveness; we will pay for all our sins.

So we have a question. Why are some people so focused on a shroud? If you already believe in God, you don’t need a shroud, especially one that’s history is highly questionable, totally open to speculation and subject to financial dealings. I don’t need any validation of my beliefs, which are the result of long study and prayer.

Have a wonderful day!


22 posted on 12/05/2020 9:57:20 AM PST by Loud Mime ("Now, go and do your duty before darkness covers the earth." Michael Uhlmann (1939 - 2019))
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To: Loud Mime
So we have a question. Why are some people so focused on a shroud?

Good question. Posting an occasional article on something does not mean someone is "so focused" on it. If something is interesting and perhaps has some implication for our lives makes people want to learn more about it. You yourself would not have clicked on this thread if you didn't have some interest in the topic, even if it was a negative interest.

If you already believe in God, you don’t need a shroud..."

That's true, but nobody has said that the Shroud is necessary to ones faith. But some things can be useful without being strictly necessary.

...especially one that’s history is highly questionable, totally open to speculation and subject to financial dealings.

The history of the Shroud, because of it's purported antiquity, of course has a long but not undocumented history. None of it proves that his is the Shroud of Jesus, but an honest evaluation of the facts shows that the Shroud in and of itself defies scientific explanation. See the links provided above. Also, there's no evidence that anyone gets rich off of the Shroud. That is simply an unsubstantiated slur.

I don’t need any validation of my beliefs, which are the result of long study and prayer.

See my post #4. May God bless you.

23 posted on 12/05/2020 10:25:52 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Loud Mime

Your belief, your choice.

Have a nice day.


24 posted on 12/05/2020 10:33:45 AM PST by Hulka ( )
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To: Loud Mime

I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me.

Unlike roads and trails on earth that may lead many to the same end point, there is a singular way to the Creator God Almighty.

No man of natural birth can meet His standard. Hence, He came as a man to pay for those who cannot pay themselves. That’s all of us.

To those who call on Him and His atoning payment, He erases their debt as paid in full. And to those who accept His payment, He adopts into everladting life.

So, His blood for yours. If you chose to reject that payment, indeed, you will be judged. As for me, my payment wad extracted in His body and His blood. I am free.

It’s not hard to find this in the new testament.

Peace.


25 posted on 12/05/2020 10:44:20 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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