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Donald Trump and the Avignon Presidency
American Thinker ^ | December 3, 2020 | Steve Deace

Posted on 12/03/2020 6:52:38 AM PST by Texas Fossil

The latter Middle Ages were a time of great political and cultural turmoil in the West.  One of the greatest upheavals occurred within the Christian Church of that era.  It was called the "Avignon Papacy."  The Encyclopedia Britannica describes it this way: 

Distressed by political factionalism in Rome ... Pope Clement V moved the papal capital to Avignon (France).  During this time, the Sacred College of Cardinals began to gain a stronger role in the government of the church.  A vast reorganization and centralization of administrative offices and other agencies was effected[.] ... After Pope Gregory XI reestablished the papal capital in Rome, cardinals of the Sacred College selected a second pope, who assumed the vacant Avignon seat.  This marked the onset of "The Great Schism" and it was not healed until [69 years later].

History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.  America is not merely divided, as many of today's political commentators claim, but it's in the midst of a Great Schism as the church was in Avignon.  Two completely distinct cultures are now simultaneously claiming the same nuts and bolts of the structure of America as their own, but with holistically different reasons and visions for doing so.  One side wants to use it to maintain a way of life that was once considered traditional in America.  The other desires revolution to undo many of those traditions it views as standing in the way of their reimagining of America.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cultural; political; trump; turmoil
Parallel?

Yes.

1 posted on 12/03/2020 6:52:38 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Biden = Vichy


2 posted on 12/03/2020 6:55:19 AM PST by dontreadthis
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To: Texas Fossil

“Two completely distinct cultures are now simultaneously claiming the same nuts and bolts of the structure of America as their own...”

Nope

One is claiming the structure and selling it to a powerful foreign entity. Nothing to do with—the opposite of the nuts and bolts of this country

If the constitution is not the country than what is the country?


3 posted on 12/03/2020 6:57:20 AM PST by stanne
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To: Texas Fossil
Pardon the historical pedantry, but I'm not entirely sure it's not on-point.

The article doesn't quite understand the history. The Avignon Papacy and the Great Western Schism were not about "two separate cultures" contending for anything. Both sides (and later, all three sides) were unquestionably Catholic.

The real story was that the French monarchy had achieved total control over the church, to the point that, not only was the Pope French, but he actually moved the whole Papal office to France. (And this while he was still supposed to be the Bishop of Rome, not Avignon.)

Catholics who weren't French or allied to France naturally did not see the total acquisition of the Church by France as a good thing, hence the "schism".

Now think about the degree to which Joe Biden and the Democrats have sold themselves to foreign powers (Ukraine, China, Saudi Arabia (?), who else ...) and you'll see what I mean about my comment being at least somewhat on-point.

4 posted on 12/03/2020 7:34:03 AM PST by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: Texas Fossil

I’ve recently posted that, like the antipopes of the Middle Ages, idiot Biden should be referred to as the antiPresident. Never mind that we must respect the office; they have destroyed the integrity of the office.


5 posted on 12/03/2020 7:48:59 AM PST by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey

“anti-President”

Yes - and also The Usurper.


6 posted on 12/03/2020 8:36:15 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: Texas Fossil

Americans want Americas to be America. Leftists want America to be Europe.

The Euro lovers must be exterminated


7 posted on 12/03/2020 8:39:10 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) t Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay My, o. h, my, what a wonderful day)
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To: bert

Totalitarianism in all forms is EVIL!

They are incompatible with the US Constitution.

Progressive
Socialist
Marxist (i.e. BLM)
Fascist (Nazi’s) (Erdogan’s Turkey)
Communist (i.e. Antifa)
Dictator (#ComDem_Covid19_Dictators)
Islamist
Bureaucrap (the Swamp)

All Evil. All Fail.

Freedom Works.

It’s TIME to DownSize DC!


8 posted on 12/03/2020 9:15:23 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: NTHockey

They believe they are above the Law.

It is time for them to be held accountable for their crimes, under the law.


9 posted on 12/03/2020 9:16:32 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Campion

I have studied the French Revolution and the things that happened leading up to it.

I’m not Catholic, I grew up in a local Baptist Church. They never claimed any attachment to the Catholic Church, much less that of the Jesuit Pope.

I have family members who are Catholic, some on the Right and some on the Left. They are nothing alike.

I have close friends that I worked with for many many years who are very serious active Catholics.

One of my best friends that I worked with over many many years was a Conservative Catholic and active member of the Knights of Columbus. (I’ve been a Free Mason for over 50 years) We spent a lot of time discussing many things, I found no problems with our different views. He was from Hastings Nebraska, Knights of Columbus and the local Masons had joint charity projects and they worked very closely together.

Patriotism and love of country is amplified by common Christian beliefs. It has been so in the USA since the American Revolution. (Yes, some Catholics in the beginning were loyalist toward England)


10 posted on 12/03/2020 9:29:19 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Campion
"Now think about the degree to which Joe Biden and the Democrats have sold themselves to foreign powers (Ukraine, China, Saudi Arabia (?), who else ...) and you'll see what I mean about my comment being at least somewhat on-point."

Good points. It's interesting that 642 years later, to have an anti-President does not require his physical relocation to Beijing, but simply fealty.

11 posted on 12/03/2020 10:41:32 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)
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To: dontreadthis

Biden = Dementia

Still More #ComDem_Insanity!


12 posted on 12/04/2020 1:57:16 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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