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Ohio Court of Claims orders state to release daily hospital staffing, medical supplies and bed capacity data
Cleveland.com ^ | 11/13/2020 | Laura Hancock

Posted on 11/21/2020 5:37:39 AM PST by EBH

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The Ohio Court of Claims has ordered the Ohio Department of Health to release data about daily hospital staffing levels, medical supplies and bed capacity as the coronavirus pandemic continues.

The court ruled this week in favor of Eye on Ohio, Ohio Center for Investigative Journalism, which sued after it was denied a data request submitted in March.

In rejecting the records request, the Ohio Department of Health argued the data are security records exempted from disclosure under the state’s public records law. The information tracked through the Ohio Department of Health’s data-gathering software, Surgenet, is for responding to crises, such as bioterrorism or a pandemic, and shouldn’t be released because it could be used in the response to a future terrorism attack, the agency argued.

The court, which reviews public records disputes, disagreed.

“Although the Surgenet system could be used to mitigate or respond to acts of terrorism at some future time, and ODH may be able then to justify the security records exception, its daily hospital bed and resource records were not being so used on the date of this request,” stated an October report by the Court of Claims special master.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: covid; ohio; terrorism

1 posted on 11/21/2020 5:37:39 AM PST by EBH
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To: EBH

So, is this good or bad news?


2 posted on 11/21/2020 5:57:09 AM PST by Fai Mao (There is no justice until PIAPPS is hanging from a gallows.)
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To: EBH

Hard to understand why this information would be withheld in the first place.


3 posted on 11/21/2020 5:58:19 AM PST by Gahanna Bob
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To: Fai Mao

Well we haven’t been able to get straight information regarding the assessments and shutdowns. The shutdowns happen due to hospital capacity limits. We couldn’t find out what those limits actually are.

Example we’re told Ohio is currently at close to 75% ICU capacity, but there’s only 738 covid patients in ICU, using 33% of the ventilators. So the math story question is how many beds are still available? It is like a secret trick question. Of the 75% there are 738 covid patients? We don’t know what the trigger point is for a shut down or a hospital being overrun.


4 posted on 11/21/2020 6:11:54 AM PST by EBH (God Save the Republic. God is in Control. God knows what He is doing. )
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To: EBH

Best guess is Ohio only has 553 ICU beds left for all cases. That’s bad or appears very, very critical at the present time. A bad weekend here and it is game over for Ohio. Start scaling up the temporary locations again.


5 posted on 11/21/2020 6:15:41 AM PST by EBH (God Save the Republic. God is in Control. God knows what He is doing. )
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To: EBH

Send the hospital ship Comfort to Ohio


6 posted on 11/21/2020 6:21:02 AM PST by Panzerfaust (The HK P7 .....it's what Jesus would carry.)
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To: EBH

Best guess is Ohio only has 553 ICU beds left for all cases.
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According to the Ohio dashboard they have over 1100 beds available as of yesterday. But I do see that the numbers of hospitalizations and ICU beds has risen dramatically in the last 2 weeks. Hopefully this trend will go down soon.


7 posted on 11/21/2020 6:21:19 AM PST by grayboots
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To: EBH

I would say that is a bad guess.
Ohio has more then 2500 ICU beds.


8 posted on 11/21/2020 6:22:27 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Fai Mao
"So, is this good or bad news?"

Having been a hospital financial/statistical analyst during my working days, the phrase "lies, damned lies, then there are statistics" comes to mind. There are empty beds versus available beds staffed with qualified personnel. There are ventilators on hand versus available ventilators that can be supported with adequate material and trained staffing. Still shedding light on the statistics may promote some honesty.

9 posted on 11/21/2020 6:37:29 AM PST by buckalfa
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To: EBH

“Best guess is Ohio only has 553 ICU beds left for all cases. That’s bad or appears very, very critical at the present time. A bad weekend here and it is game over for Ohio. Start scaling up the temporary locations again.”

Hospitals go broke when their ICUs are at less than 80% full. They WANT them full. 95% full is the goal. That’s where they make most of their money, and there is ALWAYS surge capacity.

Don’t fall for the panic porn. It’s simply not true. And especially when you find out the big difference between hospitalizations BECAUSE of covid, V. hospitalizations WITH covid.


10 posted on 11/21/2020 6:44:52 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (This is all a Soros funded communist insurrection! )
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To: EBH
This is anecdotal, but but from a friend of the family UPMC nurse serving the Pittsburgh area, at the COVID peak, a whole 38 beds were occupied. Hospitals floors were cleared in anticipation of full occupancy, but where this nurse worked, the building had less then 40 "cases".

The actual bed occupancy and supplies usage information is necessary to gauge actual vs. political claims.

Also, back then a "case" meant strong to severe symptoms and under direct medical care. Now a "case" is a positive test, where Elon Musk calls Antigen Tests "Extremely Bogus", as do professionals in the field Asymptomatic 'Casedemic' Is a Perpetuation of Needless Fear

It's all about fear manipulation of the public in order to destroy our natural rights as protected by our Representative Republic political structure, and hand power over to the corrupt few.

11 posted on 11/21/2020 6:55:32 AM PST by disclaimer
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To: Panzerfaust

That was funny. Seriously, what happened to flattening the curve? The whole nation has been masking up and locking down for 8 months and Covid is surging?


12 posted on 11/21/2020 7:39:18 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: EBH

The way I heard it, ICU capacity is fluid, and the only way to make ICU units profitable is to keep their use near their capacity.


13 posted on 11/21/2020 7:41:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (We flattened the heck out of that curve, didn’t we?)
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To: Right Brother

Tagline, read.


14 posted on 11/21/2020 7:42:13 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (We flattened the heck out of that curve, didn’t we?)
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To: Right Brother

It is INFURIATING. I trust God is working through all of this but nothing makes me madder than DAMNED LIES.


15 posted on 11/21/2020 7:44:25 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hospitals don’t make a lot of money on ICU’s per se. It’s a complicated continuum of per patient care and their needs that they make money on. A person can be a simple heart bypass but stay 2 days in an icu then out to the floors and then home in a week....the hospital makes a ton of money on that case. How ever complicate that case with surgical complications, a finicky arrhythmic heart and sepsis and such a patient may stay in the icu for 2 weeks with a week’s stay in the transitional units.... then to in patient rehab because of a weaker post care physical condition than first anticipated. What you get then is a money loser!


16 posted on 11/21/2020 9:51:07 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: grayboots

Thank you.


17 posted on 11/21/2020 9:55:59 AM PST by EBH (God Save the Republic. God is in Control. God knows what He is doing. )
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To: GranTorino

Is that actual available or is that inventory. If inventory then 75% are already occupied.


18 posted on 11/21/2020 9:56:42 AM PST by EBH (God Save the Republic. God is in Control. God knows what He is doing. )
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To: EBH
Example we’re told Ohio is currently at close to 75% ICU capacity, but there’s only 738 covid patients in ICU, using 33% of the ventilators. So the math story question is how many beds are still available? It is like a secret trick question. Of the 75% there are 738 covid patients? We don’t know what the trigger point is for a shut down or a hospital being overrun.

The units are designed to run at more than 85% capacity. Saying that you have to shut the state down because you're only at 75% capacity is insane.

19 posted on 11/21/2020 12:06:31 PM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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Ohio Court of Claims orders state to release daily hospital staffing, medical supplies and bed capacity data
Cleveland.com ^ | 11/13/2020 | Laura Hancock

Posted on 11/21/2020, 8:37:39 AM by EBH


20 posted on 11/22/2020 6:48:54 PM PST by Lowell1775
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