Flynn judge issues order to DOJ to certify evidence is correct

Foxnews ^ | 10/23/20202 | Jimmy The Snake

[Jimmy The Snake]

In an unusual order posted Friday, the federal judge in the case of former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn told the Justice Department to file a declaration -- under penalty of perjury -- by Monday that evidence in the case is “true and correct.”

[Vermont Lt]

Where the f**k did you get that from? Are we supposed to blindly follow? That’s what morons do.

[rlmorel]

General Flynn did not discuss sanctions.

He discussed the persona non grata ejections, and apparently did not recall discussing it, and said in good faith he didn't remember discussing it as outlined in this declassified FBI 302 Form.

Here are the transcripts below:
Flynn-Kislyak Transcripts-Part 1

Flynn-Kislyak Transcripts-Part 2

The word "sanctions" appears once in all the transcripts, and this is the context in which it appeared:

KISLYAK: "We agree. One of the problems among the measures that have been announced today is that now FSB and GRU are sanctions are sanctioned and I ask myself uh; does it mean that the United States isn't willing to work on terrorist threats?"

He is clearly talking in terms of the FSB and GRU personnel who have been sanctioned (translated as "punished" in the sense of being expelled due to Executive Order 13694 which are not sanctions) and if you examine Executive Order 13694 issued by Obama on 12/28/2016 you won't find the word "sanctions" appearing even once.

Not once. The word "sanctions" and the context of the word "sanctions" is clearly punishment based and focused on the ejection of the Russian GRU and FSB personnel.

The Countering Russian Hostilities Act of 2017 introduced in Congress on 1/11/2017 was weeks after the Flynn-Kislyak calls in late December 2016. You can see the full text here if you wish: Text of the Countering Russian Hostilities Act of 2017

The bottom line is Flynn did not discuss sanctions, he discussed persona non grata ejections, and he didn't even recall doing so, saying he didn't remember even when prompted by Strzok and Pietka.

[WASCWatch]

When the DOJ submitted its motion to dismiss, the signature of the DOJ Attorney is a certification that the facts listed in the motion are true and accurate. There is no need for another certification.

[Vermont Lt]

The excuse for him being fired was that he lied to Pence.

Am I dreaming that?

[Flint]

Perhaps the judge thinks that President Trump is going to loose. He then keeps delaying the case till after 20Jan then convicts Flynn of something. President Trump can no longer pardon him at that point.

[semimojo]

"In the intervening months, the Justice Department and Flynn have continued to publicly post sets of documents that Flynn's team has characterized as evidence of FBI misconduct.

Two of those documents included the notes that DOJ now acknowledges were altered, a revelation that Sullivan said last month left him "floored" and demanding answers. In his new order, Sullivan notes that DOJ did not respond to his request to authenticate all 14 exhibits it has filed in support of the dismissal motion.

"Although the government relies heavily on these 14 Exhibits, the government has not provided a declaration attesting that the Exhibits are true and correct copies," he wrote Friday. Though he acknowledged there is typically a legal "presumption" that documents filed by the government are authentic, it doesn't apply in this case. "Here, however, the government has acknowledged that altered FBI records have been produced by the government and filed on the record in this case.""

[rlmorel]

It was a contrived trap, coordinated with the media. Pence has since said that he views the entire situation in the prism of a coordinated assault and prosecutorial abuse, and that he would be happy to have General Michael Flynn back as part of the Administration.

According to Dinesh D'Souza, Trump immediately regretted asking for his resignation.

It doesn't sound to me like people upset about being lied to. It sounds like people who understand that coordination between the outgoing administration, FBI, DOJ, and the Media with timed leaks for specific purposes set up a deliberately fabricated media storm to force Flynn out.

That is how the Trump Administration views the situation now. At the time when they had zero information about it, Pence said he was "disappointed" because the only accounts he had were the fraudulent media narratives.

Take a look at this chronological timeline in PDF format I put together that illustrates the degree of coordination that took place between the Washington Post and the outgoing Obama Administration:

TIMELINE OF THE GOVERNMENTAL ABUSE OF LT. GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN

[Vermont Lt]

That’s fine.

The question was asked why he was fired. I answered it.

Flynn displayed incredible arrogance speaking without counsel. He displayed incredible stupidity for pleading guilty to something he did not do.

I have children. I love them. But I am not going to admit to a felony to protect them from their own misdeeds. His children are adults. They did some shady stuff.

Aren’t we dealing with enough of this crap—just because its our side doesn’t make it right. What ever happened to politician kids doing their own thing? Why do they all want to go into the family business.

The guy made a series of mistakes that anyone who has ever dealt with investigations knows not to make.

I don’t want to see him go to jail and I think the Judge is just being difficult...but that does not make my opinion of this guy change a whole lot. He may have been good at what he did...but when you are taken out of your area of expertise—smart and humble people ask for help.

[rlmorel]

You and I see this quite differently.

I see it completely through the prism of an abuse of power by government entities that brought the entire apparatus of the federal government to bear on this man for political purposes.

The same could happen to you and I, and we would likely be utterly helpless.

As for his “speaking without counsel” he made the mistake that millions of Americans might make, by knowing he did nothing wrong, and speaking to the FBI because he was under the mistaken impression that they were on the same team.

Even more, he assumed (because he KNEW he did nothing wrong, and he didn’t) that he was dealing with peers against a common issue, not being subjected to a subversive and seditious campaign by people who should have been shaking his hand, not stabbing them in the back.

I forgive him for that, as surely as many millions of real Americans who have taken the time to look at the facts, I would be less likely to speak with the FBI on any other government entity without counsel.

And he made the decision to fall on his sword. He had people pleading for him to go speak to Trump who was weighing the matter, but he declined because he didn’t want to get in the way of the President making his own difficult decision. And he did it to protect his family.

You sound experienced in this-how do you think you would fare if the government decided to frame you (with the INTENT, written in official documentation of whether the point of an investigation is should be to get you to lie) and looked at you and all your relations with a microscope, using the FBI, DOJ, IRS, and every other agency under the sun. You think you would come out of that clean? Or your kids or wife, who may have done nothing serious, but are undergoing this because of YOU?

It is astonishing to me that people (especially people on this forum who have watched the way the DOJ and FBI have strong-armed people and gone after people simply as tools to get at President Trump) can look at these methods used against US Citizens in general and General Flynn in particular and feel anything but revulsion, root and branch revulsion.

Same with people who say conservatives protest against it because it is “our side” and say we would feel differently if the shoe were on the other foot.

You and I disagree on this. I am comfortable with what this says about my values. I imagine you will say the same thing, but it is clear my values are quite different from yours, and I fully embrace that reality.

[MIA_eccl1212]

Everybody knows that any agreement made under duress is null and void.

[rlmorel]

"...Everybody knows that any agreement made under duress is null and void..."

Apparently, not everybody knows that, FRiend...

[Maris Crane]

If this slimy judge is not impeached there is truly no justice in America.

[HKMk23]

Somebody ring St. Pete; this guy’s Birth Certificate is past it’s Expiration Date.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Chubby, my man!!

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

#20 Fruits of the poisonous tree doctrine.

[Eleutheria5]

A perjury trap for the DOJ?

[DouglasKC]

You apparently haven’t followed this closely...

[Mr Rogers]

10 years ago, if the FBI told me they wanted to talk, I’d have said, “Sure! Let’s talk! What about?”

Now? I wouldn’t talk to an FBI agent in a bar without a lawyer, three witnesses and an independent video...

[Alberta's Child]

Everybody knows that any agreement made under duress is null and void.

That's true, but you could make the same statement about every single plea deal ever made in a criminal proceeding.

Flynn's case was seriously damaged not just when he pleaded guilty, but when he stood up TWICE -- in two different court hearings -- and testified under oath that the information in his plea agreement was accurate and truthful. In our legal system, if you have made an agreement under duress then a sentencing hearing before a judge or other tribunal is the time to make that clear.

I'd suggest that this chain of events is the REAL reason why the Federal judge in this case seems to be on a zealous crusade against Flynn. If the judge just accepts this new story line at face value, he's pretty much undermined the entire process of plea agreements in Federal cases dating back to the establishment of the Federal courts in 1790.

[Alberta's Child]

Actually, I have. I stopped giving much of a sh!t a long time ago, but I still keep up with these developments as they are reported here on FR.