Skip to comments.'No basis for negotiations': UK tells EU's Michel Barnier not to come to London for talks Boris Johnson says Britain should prepare for final no-deal break as Lord Frost updates EU's chief negotiator on PM's latest statement (NO DEAL LIKELY)
Posted on 10/16/2020 2:50:48 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
The UK has rebuffed Brussels' offer of intensified trade talks next week, telling the European Union's chief negotiator there is "no basis for negotiations".
The Prime Minister on Friday accused European leaders of having "abandoned the idea of a free trade deal" and told the country to "get ready" for a no-deal outcome in the negotiations after his October 15 deadline for reaching an agreement passed.
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen had responded to his media statement by vowing that the EU would carry on negotiating, suggesting talks next week in London would go ahead as planned.
But Lord Frost, the UK's chief negotiator, spoke with his counterpart Michel Barnier to tell him not to make the trip across the Channel next week.
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Thank You for the thread.
What Boris needs to do is cut a BINDING deal with Trump, and then he won’t have to worry about being screwed, should Harris/Hillary win.
“No deal” will, in the long run, offer the best potential economic future for Great Britain?
As I understand it there would not be time to cut a deal and get it ratified before January even if it was agreed tommorow.
Who has the upper hand here?
For a while it sounded like the EU was going to screw over the UK as much as they could. No mercy, no bargaining. Now they are relenting?
Yes it would. A sensible trade deal on equal terms would have been preferable, but the EU isn’t in the market for that, it wants a deal that will be as punitive and as controlling as they can get away with in order to set an example for other would be leaver states. Britain cannot afford to allow the EU to continue influencing UK trade or economic policy because it would use it to malign effect.
No Deal is the best solution on offer given the EU’s agenda.
Excellent. Tell the Yurps to get stuffed. A show of strength is the only thing they will understand. Until then they will think they can bully and bluff their way to exploitative one sided deals.
Well, he could deem it ratified, like Obama did with Iran, and then force Biden to screw-over the UK.
A clean break is the best way. A little short term pain for long term gain.
Given Biden’s recent pronouncements insisting that Britain should fall in with the EU demands over the Irish border, I’m sure he would be very happy to screw over the UK.
Biden and the radical left dems will be no friend of Brexit Britain.
Britain’s bargaining position under May was weak because we had a remainer Prime Minister leading a minority government who never believed in Brexit and treated it as a crisis to be managed instead of an opportunity to be seized, and didn’t have the support in Parliament to force through a no deal scenario even if she wanted to (which she didn’t).
Now we have a PM who actually believes in Brexit and has an 80 seat majority government with most of the irreconcilable remainers within the conservative party purged from Parliament, and therefore he has the support in Parliament neccessary to be able to walk walk away with no deal. The EU and its agents within the UK Government and Parliament have now been rendered all but powerless.
The EU could have achieved a British agreement to a quite a sell out deal under May but they were so overconfident from dealing with Theresa May and her minority government, remainer-ridden parliament that they over-reached themselves by making impossible demands and forced an election that changed the parliamentary arithmatic in favour of hard brexit headbangers like me, and the howlings of despair for remainers who thought that they could sabotage and undermine the government enough to cancel Brexit.
Very informative, thanks. So, now a no deal Brexit can go through and the parties can negotiate as equals?
In theory. I am personally of the opinion that the EU is not psychologically ready to negotiate reasonably in good faith because they still harbour the attitude and instinct that Britain must be punished for leaving the bloc and kept under tight supervision to stop us succeeding outside of the EU.
The fact that Britain has asked for a trade deal similar to the one Canada has with the EU and that this has been rejected demonstrates that the EU is not yet ready to accept that Britain has left the EU and no longer wants to be controlled by it. Until this happens, which may be some years in the future when Brexit has started to become a memory rather than a current event, they will not be able to reach an acceptable agreement that is advantageous to both sides.
Basically, I think we need to go away and leave them alone until they’ve got the tantrum out of their system before we come back and ask them if they’re ready to talk. Of course, if we do enjoy a lot of success and our economy and trade starts booming whilst their stagnates under the single currency their might not be an EU to negotiate with for much longer when the other member states start to realise that their success doesn’t hinge on being part of this monololithic bloc.
Great Britain...DEAL or NO DEAL?
Boris should take the no deal. That would give a very clear indication of the efficacy or otherwise of a hard Brexit
Trade deals take month’s to negotiate. For instance, right now the UK wants to protect its farmers from American agriculture, which has lower prices due to economies of scale. At the same time the USA farm lobby is having none of that. So the trade talks have stalled
Neither have the upper hand. Economically the EU has, but boris doesn’t have any upcoming elections for years so can and should go for a no deal
The UK has already broken away. As of February 1, 2020, it was no longer a EU member
Brexit has already HAPPENED, as of January 31, 2020 which was the last day of the UK as an EU member.
Now the discussion is over what kind of trade deal will be between the UK and the EU
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