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The birthers are back (Barf Alert)
Washington Post ^ | August 13th 2020 | Karen Tumulty

Posted on 08/15/2020 2:35:33 PM PDT by Ennis85

Well, that didn’t take long.

A non-White American citizen born right here in the United States has gotten a spot on the Democratic presidential ticket, and the birthers have come scurrying out from whatever rock they have been living under since Barack Obama left office.

Within hours of former vice president Joe Biden’s announcement Wednesday of his history-making running mate, once-reputable Newsweek posted a story posing “Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility.”

The author, John Eastman, a conservative law professor, wrote that “some” are “questioning” whether Harris might be “constitutionally ineligible” to be vice president because, should she have to step into the presidency, she might not meet the Constitution’s Article II requirement that this country’s chief executive be a “natural born” citizen.

Jenna Ellis, who appears frequently these days on cable television as a “senior legal adviser” to the Trump campaign, quickly embraced this nontroversy, retweeting a link to Eastman’s article and later declaring Harris’s eligibility an “open question.” So we are left to assume that the president’s reelection campaign is on board with this line of inquiry, which is reminiscent of President Trump’s own leadership of the “birther” movement when it was first launched against Obama.

Harris is the daughter of immigrants. Her father (from Jamaica) and her mother (from India) were not citizens at the time of her birth in 1964. A birth that — Have I mentioned this? Stay with me here, because this is important — happened in Oakland, Calif., which was then and is now in the United States of America. That means Harris was a U.S. citizen from the first second of her life.

The theoretical and esoteric question of whether first-generation Americans are eligible to be president is booted around from time to time in law-professor circles.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Delaware; US: District of Columbia
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To: mlo

Enlighten all of us about this “law”.


81 posted on 08/15/2020 3:32:55 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: All

ONCE AGAIN:

I recommend that all you Democrat Lawyers, Internet “Lawyers”, “Journalists” and just poorly informed opinionizers that think Harris (or 0bama, or Cruz or Rubio etc.) are eligible to be President, READ THIS:

http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/index.html

There is a page specific to Harris at : http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/kamalaharris.html

To people who say as long as you have an American citizen parent, or are born on inside the borders, you can be President, read this website and relieve yourself of ignorance. And for people who know the true meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” but have been unable to cite specifics, this site will give you all the ammunition you need.

If all that is too much for you to grasp, there is a shorter article HERE:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/so_its_senator_kamala_harris_want_to_bet.html

Now, for those of you who think it is useless to expect that anyone will actually enforce the Natural Born CItizen rules, Yeah I agree. And I don’t want it sent to the Roberts Supreme court either. He will just screw things up worse.


82 posted on 08/15/2020 3:33:04 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt
I don’t want it sent to the Roberts Supreme court either. He will just screw things up worse.

You have a good point there. After Trump gets two more justices on the bench it would be a good time to pursue it.

83 posted on 08/15/2020 3:36:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wear Your Mask-Stay In Your Home-Do What You're Told-Vote Democrat)
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To: House Atreides; mlo

mlo, I’ll wait patiently for your definitive answers to my questions in Post 76 above. I trust you will respond.


84 posted on 08/15/2020 3:37:33 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Ennis85

I see Tumulty hasn’t exited earth, yet?

https://www.google.com/search?q=karen+tumulty&client=safari&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1uLjUo57rAhVWbs0KHVXfDQsQ_AUoAnoECB4QBA&biw=1313&bih=718

Scary psycho


85 posted on 08/15/2020 3:41:30 PM PDT by PGalt ( Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Why yes, she’s Three Nationality Kamala.

A little discussion on the point:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/008440.html

And

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/10/citizenship_jeopardy.html

And

https://ashbrook.org/publications/oped-eastman-04-hamdi/

Which all go into rather great detail on this. The last one is the important one as it is Eastman’s own article. His brief with Edwin Meese in the case of Hamdi v. Rumsfeld can be found at

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=eastman+meese+hamdi+amicus&t=hk&ia=web

Under “Supreme Court of the United States - Claremont Institute”

There are competing opinions from James Ho and Linda Chavez, but I don’t think they are compelling. Mostly self serving crap so they can legitimize more of their ethnic kin who will vote to have them take over the power of the United States, which is what they are after.

For the moment, under Wong Kim Ark, K-Ho is a citizen, but on a thin thread. As for meeting the more stringent “Natural Born Citizen” requirement of the Constitution for the Presidency, there is no way. She is precisely the person the Founders were attempting to exclude. Even Hussein Soetoro had one actual citizen parent born on our soil to people who had been here a few generations. Harris doesn’t even come close.

We didn’t found the country to end up being ruled by aggressive foreigners.


86 posted on 08/15/2020 3:42:41 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Ennis85; All

Can’t have a rational debate with an irrational psycho. Try it.


87 posted on 08/15/2020 3:43:30 PM PDT by PGalt ( Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: Ennis85
Her father (from Jamaica) and her mother (from India) were not citizens at the time of her birth in 1964

THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT!!!

The child of a non-citizen (or a pair of non-citizens in this case) IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Game, set, match.

The Halfrican was not eligible EITHER! Everyone responsible for his being inaugurated is guilty of sedition at the very least!

88 posted on 08/15/2020 3:51:58 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: House Atreides
What about children of foreign embassy staff who are born in the US... are THEY “natural born citizens” eligible to run for the presidency when they become of age and meet the other requirements? And, if not, why not?

Because of the "and subject to the jurisdiction" part of the 14th Amendment. Foreign diplomats enjoy immunity from our laws and cannot be prosecuted if they violate them unless their home country allows it. They are not subject to our jurisdiction and because of that if they have a child while here that child is not a citizen.

89 posted on 08/15/2020 3:54:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: mlo

“That citizenship of her parents has nothing to do with her eligibility”

Of course it does, it has everything to do with her eligibility. Parents not being American citizens at the time of her birth in CA means she is a citizen not a natural born citizen.

If foreign parents were ok the founders would not have had to write the exception in the clause.


90 posted on 08/15/2020 3:56:48 PM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing America's youth on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
In every country on Earth a child born to two non-citizens is not a citizen, natural-born or otherwise.

Incorrect. There are over 30 countries that have an unrestricted jus soli citizenship including Canada and Mexico.

If my parents were vacationing in France the day I was born I would still be a U.S. citizen, and ineligible to be president.

President of France? No. Of the U.S.? You could.

91 posted on 08/15/2020 3:59:18 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg; mlo

OK... that’s step 1. What about a foreign tourist who has a baby here while on her tour. Is THAT child an American “natural born citizen” for purposes of the Presidency? If not, why not?

I was hoping for assessment from mlo... I’m still awaiting that.


92 posted on 08/15/2020 4:05:52 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Ennis85

The birthers are back? No, it is just people who can read the Constitution, written by birthers who mandated that a president must be a natural born citizen. Kamala Harris is definitely not in that category.


93 posted on 08/15/2020 4:10:09 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Meatspace
Both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

0bama was president, and he has a foreign born non-citizen mother. In addition, it appears he was born in Western Canada.

94 posted on 08/15/2020 4:10:49 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: mlo

“That citizenship of her parents has nothing to do with her eligibility.”

According to the Constitution, it does.


95 posted on 08/15/2020 4:10:58 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Diogenesis
except to the J Roberts who PROVED

Just curious, could you please post the Supreme Court decision which decisively defines a "natural born citizen" who is eligible or ineligible to run for the presidency?

Thanks, that would put an end to a lot of useless controversy around here about who can or who can't run for president........

96 posted on 08/15/2020 4:11:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Ennis85

This requires the wisdom of Solomon! Let’s take a sword, cut her in half, and give each side a half.


97 posted on 08/15/2020 4:12:41 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Heartless Republican Gutter Rat)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Really? Really? Every country on Earth?

I could have sworn that Brazil and Argentina are on the Earth, and both have birthright citizenship. I live about 60 miles north of Mexico (has birthright citizenship) and I’m almost certain it on on the Earth.

Also, your main complaint is that our laws aren’t the same as the laws of France? Here I thought that having our own set of laws different from socialist countries like France was a good thing.


98 posted on 08/15/2020 4:13:33 PM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: mlo

“When the child is born on US soil the citizenship of the parents is irrelevant.”

Why does the Constitution specify “natural born” regarding requirements to be president, if it were irrelevant?


99 posted on 08/15/2020 4:13:52 PM PDT by odawg
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To: arthurus

Congress, on its own, cannot amend the Constitution. And Congress did not declare Obama to be natural born, only McCain.`


100 posted on 08/15/2020 4:14:53 PM PDT by odawg
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