Posted on 08/01/2020 10:57:46 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Edited on 08/01/2020 3:39:56 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Here's What You Need To Remember: The United States has become increasingly aggressive about slowing down or halting China’s industrial espionage efforts. This has included indictments of PLA officers, broad condemnations of Chinese spying, and targeted reprisals against some Chinese firms. But given the extensive commercial contacts between China and the United States, stopping the flow of technology is virtually impossible.
As the People’s Republic of China (PRC) emerged from war and revolution in 1949, it became apparent that the Chinese economy lacked the capacity to compete with the U.S. or the U.S.S.R. in the production of advanced military technology. Transfers from the Soviet Union helped remedy the gap in the 1950s, as did transfers from the United States and Europe in the 1970s and 1980s. Still, the Cultural Revolution stifled technology and scientific research, leaving the Chinese even farther behind.
Thus, China has long supplemented legitimate transfers and domestic innovation with industrial espionage. In short, the PRC has a well-established habit of pilfering weapons technology from Russia and the United States. As the years have gone by, Beijing’s spies have become ever more skillful and flexible in their approach. Here are five systems that the Chinese have stolen or copied, in whole or in part:
But everyone know the Chicoms are terrified of our tranny and pillow biter commandos.
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not to mention the horrific sight of the weeping mama’s boys the Iranians caught - sending shivers up PLAN spines
Obama troopers. I wonder what percentage of iur active duty are cut from that pathetic jib.
We can probably learn to do a better job by taking lessons from the Chinese intelligence agency, whatever they call it. They have done a masterful job stealing from us with our eyes wide open.
Dear Bob.
Its not how much you spend, but what you get for the money. Currently they are building blue water ships like no tomorrow, while the US can’t vet a 14 billion dollar carrier working unless they rip it apart and start over; has to scrap the vaunted LCS ships; turn the now defenseless DDG-1000 class into rear echelon missile platforms (if that even works).
Then there is the F-35 which will also has to stay in the rear as possibly a loyal wing man or a drone platform because it cannot dogfight; its “limited stealth” is exposed by modern radars, has only 200 rounds, and to be effective in bombing has to carry bomb load externally, while its BVR air to air missiles are outranged by the R9-77M recently sold to China by some 100 km.
bkmk
They don’t necessarily *have* to become innovative. Merely equaling tech development then outproducing us will lead to an advantage - ask the German veterans of the Eastern Front in WW2 how that worked out as the tsunami of T-34s buried them.
The problem with that is that too many critical materials in the US are dependent on China. Like medication. Half the seniors in Florida will drop dead by Christmas if we block all Chinese goods. Not before they vote for Biden, though.
We need to transition away from them, resume domestic production (which takes time) and eventually get off Chinese goods, but we cannot stop all Chinese trade instantly without massive problems.
You know the old dictum: "He who gets there fustest with the mostest..."
No they don’t.
What you mean is, they OWE us financially. Something like forty trillion dollars might pay back some China’s indebtedness to America.
“Our great weakness is that we have a deepstate that does everything in its power to strangle innovation.”
You got it partly right, but you left out the most important part.
Our great weakness is that we have a deep state about which the public has been unaware.
But public awareness of the deep state is rapidly growing, diminishing the deep state’s only strength with each passing hour.
“I suspect similar to China, today. Thank you.”
I’ve been to China, twice, and WITHOUT escort. What they’ve accomplished economically is real. Those were real cars, real highways (in perfect condition), cities that put ours to shame. We can continue to think they’re backwards as the Soviets were prior to the end of the Cold War (although they too are much better now), if it makes us feel better...but it doesn’t change things on the ground.
That was my point - people here conflating ‘announced’ military spending with capabilities and buying power. We’re now getting TROUNCED by China (and Russia too) in new weapons systems, but since we spend more and don’t have the slanty eyes of the Chinese, there is NOTHING for us to worry about. After all, our obsolete nuclear subs will blow them up, if need be (assuming they haven’t yet figured out to jam our communications with them...which they have, by the way).
Nope.
China is clobbering us. Badly.
The trade balance is ridiculously on China’s side.
Russia builds good weapons. China builds EVERYTHING.
If we continue to advance our technology how do they remain equal when the theft by them is curtailed?
All these stories about the “Wonderful and brilliant” Chinese are propaganda pieces written by sympathizers. I’m not suggesting they will never catch us technologically but they haven’t done so yet and it will be a while before they do, if they do because we are not a stationary target.
ping
USS Gerald R. Ford?
You’re assuming we’re still advancing. Our Congress has been killing off and blocking needed upgrades for most of the past two decades. We didn’t build enough F-22s, the LCS is an abject failure, all of our frigates are gone and we have had to buy in a foreign design for an emergency build program, our destroyers are forty year old designs with upgrades strapped onto them and are inferior to counterparts operated by our allies (let alone our enemies), we torpedoed our battlefield laser programs, we went with the cheap-n-cheerful Virginia class submarines instead of the Seawolf “monster in the darkness” attack subs, etc., etc.
Where’d you get your tidbit? I haven’t seen an readiness reports, in recent times, saying our warriors consider themselves handicapped.
Someone linked it a few posts below mine.
Related reading - US opinion of the Yasen-class submarines.
Also - the entire FFG-X program. The LCS is an abject failure, so the Navy’s got an entire emergency program to hastily re-equip the Navy with frigates.
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