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It's Too Late To Stop China's Military Catch-Up With America
https://nationalinterest.org ^ | August 1, 2020 | by Robert Farley

Posted on 08/01/2020 10:57:46 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

Edited on 08/01/2020 3:39:56 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Here's What You Need To Remember: The United States has become increasingly aggressive about slowing down or halting China’s industrial espionage efforts. This has included indictments of PLA officers, broad condemnations of Chinese spying, and targeted reprisals against some Chinese firms. But given the extensive commercial contacts between China and the United States, stopping the flow of technology is virtually impossible.

As the People’s Republic of China (PRC) emerged from war and revolution in 1949, it became apparent that the Chinese economy lacked the capacity to compete with the U.S. or the U.S.S.R. in the production of advanced military technology. Transfers from the Soviet Union helped remedy the gap in the 1950s, as did transfers from the United States and Europe in the 1970s and 1980s. Still, the Cultural Revolution stifled technology and scientific research, leaving the Chinese even farther behind.

Thus, China has long supplemented legitimate transfers and domestic innovation with industrial espionage. In short, the PRC has a well-established habit of pilfering weapons technology from Russia and the United States. As the years have gone by, Beijing’s spies have become ever more skillful and flexible in their approach. Here are five systems that the Chinese have stolen or copied, in whole or in part:


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1 posted on 08/01/2020 10:57:46 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
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To: RomanSoldier19

Why do you so much want bad things to happen? :)

Our military is quite ready, sorry to disappoint you. :)


2 posted on 08/01/2020 11:09:10 AM PDT by dp0622 (Patriots: Better stand tall when they're calling you out. Don't bend, don't break, don't back down.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
Fine. Here's another way of looking at the same thing: We're better at it than they are; in short, fight fire with fire and scramble their systems. When they inevitably squeal about it being an act of war, bring out their transgressions and tell them we'll stop when they do.

Too late to stop their catch-up? Maybe but when they get here, we'll have leapt forward. All it takes is will.

3 posted on 08/01/2020 11:09:11 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: dp0622

Our own military disagrees with you. We have quite a lot of deficiencies caused by Endless Sandbox War followed by the Obamination.


4 posted on 08/01/2020 11:18:10 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Russia provided China with full digital blueprints, machine tools and process documents for their AL-31 engine.

It’s a reliable workhorse with great performance. Often exceeding 1,000 hrs of service before overhaul. Its MTBF is about 500hrs.

The Chinese version (WS-10) has been in development from those plans, and even engineering assistance on the ground, for nearly 10 years.

And it’s has to be overhauled every 10 hours and performs like a pig.

The Chinese systems are more akin to cartoon version of what they stole or were given/sold by others.

US military planners assume the worst, but they no there is no contest should the shooting start.

So do the Chinese.


5 posted on 08/01/2020 11:19:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: stormhill

Not always the case. In a recent documented issue, US military ships operating around Hong Kong were fed inaccurate GPS positions and were unable to localize the spoofing. Chinese ships appeared unaffected.


6 posted on 08/01/2020 11:19:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mariner

Er, the Chinese solved the problem with the WS-10 several years back.


7 posted on 08/01/2020 11:20:31 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

China could not even domestically produce ball point pens until 2017.


8 posted on 08/01/2020 11:21:31 AM PDT by datura
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To: Spktyr

“In a recent documented issue, US military ships operating around Hong Kong were fed inaccurate GPS positions and were unable to localize the spoofing.”

Link?

I don’t buy it.


9 posted on 08/01/2020 11:22:10 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

https://www.gpsworld.com/new-gps-circle-spoofing-moves-ship-locations-thousands-of-miles/

Also reported here on FR, just search.

Related: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gps-is-easy-to-hack-and-the-u-s-has-no-backup/


10 posted on 08/01/2020 11:24:45 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: datura

That seems to have mostly been that they couldn’t be bothered. After all, they make most of the world’s hard drives, a product that requires even finer machining quality and controls.


11 posted on 08/01/2020 11:25:55 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Mariner

Also: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/11/15/131940/ghost-ships-crop-circles-and-soft-gold-a-gps-mystery-in-shanghai/


12 posted on 08/01/2020 11:28:41 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Well, this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and presupposes we will remain stationary while they inexorably advance their military capability.

How on earth can the author have the first clue of what weapons systems we have (as yet announced) and what is in development? Short answer is he cannot.

China’s military and their technology in general has mostly based on what they can steal. With Trump now cracking down on these thefts and I’m sure the rest of the world doing the same I not only believe China’s attempt at parity with us will be slowed greatly but that we will pull further ahead than we are already.


13 posted on 08/01/2020 11:31:45 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Spktyr

“After all, they make most of the world’s hard drives, a product that requires even finer machining quality and controls.”

Do you believe they developed the technology to produce the hard drives? Or did they acquire it thru “other means”?


14 posted on 08/01/2020 11:34:08 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Spktyr

The WS-10H has been pulled from the J-15 due to lack of performance and reliability issues just last year.

Their carrier jets fly infrequently and with 1/2 designed payload.

Compare that to the F-18 engine the GE F414.

The WS-10 is based on the Russian AL31, which for Russian engines was considered reliable. It’s late 80s tech.

And the Chinese can’t even get that right.


15 posted on 08/01/2020 11:37:43 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: billyboy15

They were initially given the technology by Western firms wanting cheap hard drives. Thing is, for the past decade or so there have been indigenous Chinese hard drives made on machines that weren’t provided by outside sources and from designs that didn’t originate in the West. They’re no worse than Seagate’s offerings in terms of quality and longevity.

China’s main problem isn’t that they *can’t* make quality product, it’s that mostly they don’t want to through greed and corruption. Western companies have found that if they pay for and force good QC, they can get good quality product - so it’s not a matter of ‘can’t’.


16 posted on 08/01/2020 11:39:05 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
But given the extensive commercial contacts between China and the United States, stopping the flow of technology is virtually impossible.

Stopping the flow of technology is virtually impossible if the US elects a president whose family is already on the take from China.

17 posted on 08/01/2020 11:40:06 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: Mariner

Um, the WS-10 is based on the Western CFM56...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_WS-10

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/ws10.htm

https://asianmilitaryreview.com/2020/03/china-makes-moves-on-j-10-turbofan-engines/

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-s-next-generation-j-10c-fighters-get-powerful-new-ws-10-engines


18 posted on 08/01/2020 11:42:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dp0622

Yep, sounds like Lindbergh and his feelings about Nazi Germany.


19 posted on 08/01/2020 11:43:21 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: Spktyr

Not a single example of US Navy ships being deceived by GPS spoofing.

You do know the military encrypts their GPS right?

It can be jammed. It cannot be spoofed.


20 posted on 08/01/2020 11:43:49 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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