Posted on 07/21/2020 6:19:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
That was what I thought. But my memory was fuzzy on that. If someone had said different, I would not argue.
Well, you’re not squeamish about using the word kill in peace time, even though you are speaking hypothetically about war time. I don’t like that kind of talk. Say about me what you will.
Also, if as you suggest, ‘they’ start a war, and we fight back, then these people that you are targeting will have plenty of time (and pre-planning) to duck out of public vulnerability.
I wanted to express in my post how stuff like this (as in Yugoslavia) get far uglier and much much more complex then people can even come close to imagining... and there are sooooo many everyday people who may be in effect sticking their head in the sand, just want to go to work and school every day and have a somewhat normal life and are not caught up in all this radicalism, and wont deserve what would transpire. So don’t let yourself get sucked into dystopic fantasies as if that is something that can actually be managed. It can’t.
No, but they know that we're the people who are naturally lawful. Their side has the criminals... we have the folks who follow the law. And they'll use that against us.
That's why we need to organize our plans and write up our rules of engagement. If we don't, our side will sit on their hands...waiting for a lawful solution.
That's why you adopt the caliber of your enemies.
They use .223/5.56? That exotic deer rifle caliber is nice, but you also need to have a rifle chambered in .223/5.56 at the ready.
They use 9mm? That classic .45 ACP 1911 is cool since it won two world wars and all, but you need to have a 9mm as well.
Mercury fulminate is prepared by dissolving mercury in nitric acid and adding ethanol to the solution. Used as a priming composition in small copper caps that seat in to the base of a center-fire casing. Please note that there are more modern primers that tend to be more stable but this one is relatively easy to make, but in small quantities please!
A coup would be the start of Civil War. A Junta of left wing generals and the deep state/media will move on Trump to arrest the president and VP for “treason and crimes against the state” The big question will be if Trump escapes arrest or assassination. He must go least he become a symbol of opposition. Nancy becomes the 46 president, moves to the White House with Media support. Trump escapes to Texas, Texas supports him—becomes the Official USA. Other states join and its 1861 all over again.
There is NO good way for the average (or even talented) reloader to make PRIMERS or BRASS CASES.
(That’s WHY that the intelligent patriot HAS already acquired those “hard to find in a crisis” items.)
5,000-10,000 primers in the size(s) that you & your friends NEED are relatively cheap to buy & empty “once fired” cases are CHEAP too, if one “shops around” the “back tables” at most any gun show/ flea market and/or “looks about on-line”.
(In many areas of the USA, “range scrounging” will yield more cases that you can ever use & in a relative few range sessions.)
NOTE: My “EDC” pistol is in 9x19mm & in just one afternoon, last fall, I “picked up” over 1,000 “once fired” cases that were “left behind” by previous shooters & “free for the taking”.
(Short of acquiring a SMG in 9x19mm, I’ll NEVER wear-out that many pistol rounds, given that I get at least 6 reloads of each case.)
ADDENDA: I “currently scrounge” cases for .38SPL, 9x19mm, .45ACP/.45 Auto Rim, 5.56NATO, 7.62NATO, .30-06 & 12 gauge.
Just my OPINION, TMN78247
USA, Retired
“The soldiers on the conservative side are the police.”
I repeat, “Only one side is fighting”. The police are not permitted to fight, only retreat. Watch some videos of the Columbus square riot in Chicago (see below). Cops standing around as they are pelted with rocks, cans, frozen bottles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzBUAnlOeQ
I like it, given the current situation it is plausible. I think they would go to assassinate both the Potus and VP.
Otherwise the country would coalesce around them. I hope the Pentagon is taking notes.
Legitimacy is key, secession has been tried and failed because the military in general would not follow an illegitimate leader. Texas would be the temporary seat of the Federal Republic while insurrection is going on in Washington DC. The Red States would express loyalty to the legitimate government. Blue states would express loyalty to Pelosi’s new model federal government. This would create two Blue clusters the East Coast and the West Coast.
Trump would issue an executive order that these states are in revolt and ask the red parts of those states to re-form new state governments: in Illinois case practically the whole state will re-form except for the Chicago area. Even the Western counties of New York would re-from leaving the Blue states nothing more than city states.
ImVho, that kid & his screaming is at least as ANNOYING as the ranting of the ranting “Karens”.
Yours, TMN78247
And yes, I agree war is NOT the first choice or the ninetieth way. It's only if it's forced upon us. The alternative - being shipped off to concentration camps or gulags is NOT acceptable. If antifa and communists take over and decide to kill us we need to be able to fight back effectively. That's what I'm talking about. IF we had to fight - how would we do it to LIMIT deaths...
Wars in the past were fought between the "common man" of one group against the 'common men' of another group. It's a system that works for 'elites' on both sides. But it's nuts in today's world. And it's nuts for 'the people' to fight such wars.
If a small violent group can "take over" than a small violent group of sheepdogs can defend. We would be defenders.
It would be a waste of time to try to take out individual antifa or commie members... they're the 'common man foot soldiers'...of this potential war.
If this horror comes about - we need to stop the people who would keep the war going. And stop the war in time to have as few deaths as possible. Solzhenitsyn had it right. The time to resist is before you're sitting in a gulag - forced labor camps. In the meantime we should use every lawful means possible to stop anarchy... and ONLY engage in war is war is thrust upon us. http://blogs.evergreen.edu/maymeg14/blog/2012/03/10/prairie-fire/
A lot of it depends on how the US military reacts when civil war II starts. I used to think a majority of it would stand down and let the feds, states and cities go through it. However with Mattis and the rest being insubordinate and hinting at a coup should be tried I suspect they will side with the deep state and the kind of mess in Yugoslavia will be the type of war. But the military grunts on the ground will be taking into account that the people they are shooting are their neighbors and those they don’t kill will be out for revenge against the military members families. This will be a bloody, nasty mess if the left goes there. I pray it doesn’t happen but I don’t think the left is going to agree and will as they did in 1861, force the war upon the country.
The nature of state or federal response to this sort of "disobedience" or some type of more coordinated regional Balkanization, not necessarily secession, would probably be the determining factor in the actual start of coordinated violence by citizen groups.
The current standing Army of < 1,000,000 is not large enough to hold one medium sized state let alone an entire country as big ad the USA and it's 330 million population. The Army will not even be worth a footnote in history.
As for a coup-d'etat all of the bureaus and agencies have armed wings and have trained for SWAT activities and crowd control. A strike against the control centers is eminently plausible. It would be very widespread and the bureaucrats' army has probably more manpower than the US Army and is positioned throughout the system. Large troop movements would be unnecessary to position them for a strike on the government. The Obama generals- remember that Obama purged the upper ranks of the military as did Clinton before him. The senior generals are Obama men they would hold back until they knew it was safe to declare for the Revolutionaries.
PLEASE do NOT even attempt to recycle the lead out of lead/acid batteries. = We may NEED you to help us defend against the “enemies domestic” that we GIs took an oath to protect the US CONSTITUTION from.
(Attempting to “recycle” lead out of batteries IS “hazardous” to your life & health & NOT worth the risks. - Recycle the batteries to an “aftermarket buyer” & use that money to buy scrap lead.)
Yours, TMN78247
Give them the blue cities, then wall them off and leave the rest of us alone.
Even if the US military intervenes in force it is very limited on what they control. It will not be able to control vast swathes of the country, they just don’t have the man power. They will attempt to use air power to destroy opposition, yes air strikes on US citizens will be the norm especially in rural areas. The internet will be taken down and only approved media will be allowed.
The military still can’t be everywhere. They can move the 101st into a city and control it pretty well but when it moves that control goes away. Those in the military would have to consider the safety of their families. If they are killing their families next door neighbors human nature is going to take it’s course and there would be retaliations. God I hope it doesn’t happen, but again fear the left is hellbent on another civil war. If they force it on us again the Democrat party must be ground into the dust of a million pieces and thrown into the wind, it must die for the misery that party has brought to the country. I pray this cup passes from us...
Don’t worry I have no intention of melting old batteries down! I value my lungs. I was wondering about stone bullets.
Granite ground down to a ballistic shape and metal jacketed.
If we can get something with the right ballistics that is dirt cheap...
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