Posted on 06/30/2020 8:12:30 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Signalling that it is all for peaceful restoration of status quo ante in East Ladakh but is also prepared for the worst case scenario, the Indian Army has deployed six T-90 missile firing tanks and top-of-the-line shoulder fired anti-tank missile systems in the Galwan Valley sector. The senior military commanders from India and China are meeting at Chushul on Tuesday to work out the de-escalation and disengagement process on mutual terms.
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The army's decision to deploy the T-90 Bishma tanks was taken after the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) had beefed up its positions on the river bed with armoured personnel carriers and troop tents. The Indian Army is occupying the dominant heights in the sector within its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
nfantry combat vehicles along with 155mm howitzers have been deployed all along 1597 km long LAC in East Ladakh with two tank regiments deployed in Chushul sector to repel any aggressive plans of the adversary through the Spanggur Gap. While Chinese PLA wants to make a deal on the LAC in this sector as part of withdrawal, the Indian Army is no mood to give an inch as the military aggression came from the Western Theatre Command of China with the intention of redefining the LAC.
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nice to not be inthe middle of a conflict once in awhile
I wonder if Russia isn’t hoping this gets worse? Both of these are their weapons customers, and they probably want China to be preoccupied with a border other than the Russian eastern zone.
The CPLA chooses the LOW ground?
WTF?
Ping.
Don’t worry the Globalists Republicans a/k/a Bush League Republicans, a/k/a Never Trumpers will get us there soon enough. It will bo on China’s side. Too much free Chinese money going to their off shore bank accounts and not enough free money from India going to their off shore bank accounts. What is American blood to them for all that free Chinese money. Even now their wheels are turning as they scheme for a way to get us involved.
Let the Indians and Chinese kill each other off. Good riddance to two cesspool countries, both enemies of US in different ways. Need to send all Indian and Chinese students and visa workers home to help defend their homelands and free the US of their occupation.
Indians run just about every hotel where I live. It’s disgusting!
So far, and hopefully for good.
Indians run just about every hotel where I live. It’s disgusting!I never stay in hotels where I live, so I wouldn't know or care who runs them.
Calcutta?
The question is: how well do they run them?
They look like dumps and let druggies rent rooms. They also have an abundance of gas stations in town.
Any insight into using a T-90 at 15,000’ up?
Answering my own question:
Chinese army units working in rugged, mountainous border regions are getting some new firepower now that China's new next-generation light tank has gone into service.The Type 15 tank is smaller and lighter than the existing main battle tanks of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), meaning it can traverse terrain heavier tanks can’t cross.
According to the South China Morning Post, the vehicle is equipped with a 1,000-hp diesel engine, which will give it a sprightly 28-to-1 horsepower-to-weight ratio. By comparison, the latest version of the U.S. M1A2 Abrams main battle tank has a 23-to-1 horsepower-to-weight ratio. The Type 15’s high ratio will be useful in mountainous regions, where it could spend a lot of time traveling uphill. Diesel engines are less affected by altitude than gasoline engines, giving them better efficiency at altitude.
Why build a tank for the mountains? China and India share a large, disputed border with lots of mountains and not a lot of modern, robust infrastructure to move military vehicles. Roads, for example, may not be wide enough to accommodate a full-size main battle tank, and bridges may not be rated for a 50-ton tank. A lighter tank could go where other tanks can’t, giving the PLA commander on the ground more options for deploying his troops.
Welcome to FR!
How would you know? I’ve only ever stayed at one local hotel, and that was to burn points I was going to lose that next day.
I don’t have a problem with Indian owners, but I do recall a hotel in a town that had a truly overwhelming curry smell in the air.
I’m thinking this individual is a noob. And quite possibly here to create some sorta racist controversy.
Maybe one of those that’ll reach out to their handlers and say “ hey what a bunch of racists we have here on FR”
More of a weight and size issue for tanks than altitude. Also, no signs that the light tank they built is stolen from anyone as a whole. There’s some thought that they may have taken some stuff from the M8 project that we cancelled, but there’s no obvious copying going on with it.
The T-90 is interesting - it’s not a lot larger than the Chinese light tanks, which is why it can be at a disadvantage in a slugging match with larger Western tanks that have the size (and therefore gun depression) to sit behind a hill with only the turret and gun muzzle exposed to the other side and send “go away” projectiles. However, in this case, the small size may pay off in that the Indians may be able to what actually is a main battle tank into the area, whereas even with APS the Chinese Type 15 tanks are still just light tanks. APS is damn near magical at keeping projectiles and missiles out of the hull, but APS systens still have their limits.
That said, the Type 15 has a gun roughly comparable in performance to our first generation M1s and the common NATO L7 105mm MBT main guns and it is likely to be able to give the T-90 a run for its money due to the 30-some years of development time between the two. The Type 15 can also mount explosive reactive armor, which is unusual for a light tank, and despite all the retrofits to the T-90 design, they’re still retrofits to an older platform where the Type 15 is a clean sheet modern design.
The T-90MS as fielded by India isn’t exactly an all domestic or all Russian effort, though. It may have some surprises for the Type 15 in its turn. Copying from Wikipedia to save typing:
The T-90S Bhishma (named after the guardian warrior in the Mahabharata) is a vehicle tailored for Indian service, improving upon the T-90S, and developed with assistance from Russia and France. The tanks are equipped with the French Thales-built Catherine-FC thermal sights,[24] and use Russian Kontakt-5 K-5 explosive reactive armoured plates.[25] and Kontakt-5 ERA in addition to the primary armor which consists of laminated plates and ceramic layers with high tensile properties. The new welded turrets first developed for the Indian T-90S Bhishma have more advanced armour protection than the early cast turrets.
In April 2008, the Indian Army sent a request for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[26] The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab’s LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009.[27]
A third contract, worth $1.23 billion, was signed in December 2007 for 347 upgraded T-90Ms, the bulk of which will be licence-assembled by HVF. The Army hopes to field a force of over 21 regiments of T-90 tanks and 40 regiments of modified T-72s. The Indian Army would begin receiving its first T-90M main battle tank in completely knocked-down condition from Russia’s Nizhny Tagil-based Uralvagonzavod JSC by the end of 2009.[28][29]
The T-90M features the ‘Kaktus K-6’ bolted explosive reactive armour (ERA) package on its frontal hull and turret-top (the T-90S has ‘Kontakt-5’ ERA), is fitted with an enhanced environmental control system supplied by Israel’s Kinetics Ltd for providing cooled air to the fighting compartment, has additional internal volume for housing the cryogenic cooling systems for new-generation thermal imagers like the THALES-built Catherine-FC thermal imager (operating in the 8–12 micrometre bandwidth).
Just FYI - the Chinese Type 15 is reportedly 36 tons all up (though no official numbers have been released of the non-export variant), the Indian T-90MS is listed as 48 tons, and our current top Abrams version is 70 tons - which is why the US Army is suddenly interested in getting a modern light tank of its own. There are a lot of places an M1A2C simply can’t go because it’s too big and too heavy.
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