Posted on 06/28/2020 8:50:41 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Don’t be so sure about that.
China has had no real combat experience since their losing fiasco with Vietnam in ‘79. Beyond that they have made some aggressive moves against Taiwan, helped with Somali Pirates and been involved in Mali as peace keepers.
The one-child policy created a bunch of self centered mini-emperors that has been acknowledged as an issue by generals internally.
A likely biased India article: http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/chinas-one-child-policy-military-implications/
A set of less likely biased article:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/all-reasons-chinas-military-paper-tiger-54537
http://alexatsintolas.weebly.com/military.html
India on the other hand has had a continuous series of border wars/skirmishes with Pakistan since independence from the UK. In addition they have participated in the Sri Lankan Civil War (’87-90), Operations in the Seychelles (’86) and the Maldives (’88), and helped against the Somali Pirates. In addition they continue to be a source of soldiers to the UK for service in specific units.
We have heard of up to 20 dead on the India side from the fisti-cuffs a few weeks back, we still don’t know the extent of the tally from the Chinese side and likely never will. My humble opinion is that is because they had greater losses.
It won’t be an air war, or anything resembling it.
It will be a dog fight at 15,000ft. Not even helos operate up there.
Time for Britain and Australia to send in their SAS teams and do their thing.
What are these idiots talking about? Even the Pakistanis have nukes
And India has armaments that are in the same class.
Remember they are a nuclear nation and operated a carrier and nuclear subs before China ever laid a keel for either.
Oh high mountains suckk!
Crusader was a tracked vehicle designed to keep up with the M1 tank.
Is that like Dr. Falsie rearing back to unleash a 27 foot hocker?
India should withdraw all troops and send in planes to carpet bomb the area before it’s too late and China gets a foothold.
A very valid opinion. You can sense the anger on the Chinese side. They have kept mum about the actual figure to save themselves from embarrassment but you can see they are looking for retribution. What remains to be seen is what the first spark is going to be that starts the war. My guess is once they are fully deployed in the area they will give an ultimatum to the Indians - vacate the Galwan Valley area within X number of days or hostilities begin.
It would be best for the world if you were correct. However until the Indian Air Force is sufficiently upgraded, the Chinese have an overwhelming advantage in the air. That alone will be decisive in a conventional battle between two armies. India cooperates with Israel and Britain but they simply have not allocated the resources necessary to upgrade their Air Force adequately.
Go wide around the Chinese troops and bomb them as they return to India. Destroy the routes. Destroy their supply chain.
In and out before the Chinese overwhelm them.
I have had a feeling since the island and reef issues started that a lot of the push out from China is due to rising internal unrest. They are looking to create something externally in hopes of giving their population someplace to focus their anger.
The population doesn’t feel that they are receiving the return from all the investment and economic ‘progress’ that they are being told has occurred. They know that the real wealth being built is not making it out of the favored politburo hands and a select group of connected individuals.
The clamp downs on communication and increase in monitoring that have happened over the past 10 years have only increased their frustration.
The average Chinese citizen loves their country but knows that they aren’t getting a fair deal.
The government knows of the increased unrest and is looking for a way to divert it. Again my opinion, but based on involvement with the place in some kind since the 80s.
If they try to force something India won’t back down. They know if they back down it would wave a red flag of weakness to Pakistan. Instead they’ll increase their own forces and wait for China to make the first move.
If the bullets start to fly, I’ll wager on the Indian side, especially in a shorter conflict which is what I’d expect. Otherwise it’ll turn into a long drawn out war of attrition. The decision there would lie with which population looses nerve first....again given the long term Pakistan situation that India is accustomed to, I’d say China would not prevail.
And guess who is going to be feeding India with intelligence? FVEY.
I agree that India’s air upgrades have been slow (to be kind), and don’t doubt that they will suffer losses in that arena - including an impact to ground operations.
However, I feel strongly that it will come down to which country has the population willing to deal with a longer conflict if that results.
Given that 20% of the Chinese military are single children - there will be a huge upswelling of anger from the population if it goes on too long and families are wiped from posterity. Also part of why they finally turned away from the policy.
No nation has ever had that kind of situation before, it’ll make our protests look like a parade if the passions get lit. The rise of the peasant/everyday man is how every Chinese power transition has occurred. The politburo won’t risk that - again my opinion - and would not allow the conflict to go for very long before resettling at whatever the new lines might be at the time... if they take 1 inch they will claim it as a victory to their population - while the rest of the world will know the truth.
A 4000km military deployment by China along the line.
That seems rather serious. That’s a long line.
I have no idea why they so serious.
Red China probably stole those plans too and the Swedes never knew it.
Don’t forget internal to India revolts and Communist established internal states like Kerala. The Indians finally beat the maoist-oriented and trained Nagas and Mizos but have never defeated the maoist Naxalities movement which, if I recall correctly, control munch of Kerala state.
However, much of that fighting has been done by paramilitary police forces, not the Indian Army, in most cases.
But remember, the Gurkas are still around if India needs some more experienced world-class fighters.
I feel guilty for saying this but rereading about big trouble in *another* part of the world is actually a relief at this point.
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