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UK tries to lure the tech talent that Trump blocked from the US
CNBC ^ | 24 June 2020 | Sam Shead

Posted on 06/24/2020 6:05:53 AM PDT by zeestephen

The U.K. tech sector is trying to encourage entrepreneurs affected by President Donald Trump’s immigration restrictions to move to the U.K. and start a company in a city like London..."Relocating to an EU member state would be the smarter move," said pro-EU campaigner Richard Scott on Twitter. "Citizenship grants you Freedom of Movement in 27 countries, allowing you and your children to study, work, start a business and retire wherever you like."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; h1b; hireamerican
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To: cuban leaf

Sorry to hear about your father.


21 posted on 06/24/2020 6:56:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: zeestephen

Trump is NOT preventing entrepreneurs from starting businesses in the USA. He is putting a temporary hold on H1B employees who have flooded the tech sector with mediocre, slave labor.


22 posted on 06/24/2020 7:00:42 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thank you!

Just so you know, he was 90, and two weeks ago he was on his property with a chain saw cutting down a tree. Three days after that he’s in a hardware store with the inability to communicate and it takes four cops to subdue him because he doesn’t want to be controlled.

Turns out he had an inoperable golf ball sized brain tumor and had had it probably for over a year.

He was moved to hospice, everyone was able to say their goodbyes, even the great grandaughter, and then he passed. It was a true blessing, the way he went.


23 posted on 06/24/2020 7:04:00 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve developed business applications from conception, use-case definition, HMI mock ups, system design, module implementation, testing, rollout, etc...

When I could get ALL my users in the same room, speaking fluent English, going over the same use-cases, presenting the same HMI, I experienced NUMEROUS occasions when we all thought we were on the same page - UNTIL that ‘one little detail’ didn’t make sense to somebody...which unraveled an entire aspect of understanding.

I moved away from this type of software, got into embedded systems. It was good timing, the entire team I used to work with on those projects were replaced by a team located in India.

I chuckled to myself about that prior project, imagining just how it could possibly have been successful if we weren’t together, speaking fluent English - being able to ARTICULATE thoughts carefully. Without it, the project would have been a disaster. I can only imagine how many times this must have happened.

...then I hear stats like ‘50% of all I.T. apps fail’. Hmmmmm.....


24 posted on 06/24/2020 7:05:04 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: zeestephen

Let them have them.
Then we can get back to jobs for Americans.


25 posted on 06/24/2020 7:10:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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To: cuban leaf

Honestly, it probably doesn’t get better than that.


26 posted on 06/24/2020 7:13:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: zeestephen
"Relocating to an EU member state would be the smarter move,"

Didn't the UK decide to leave the EU?

27 posted on 06/24/2020 7:18:49 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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To: fuzzylogic

This speaks to a couple of reasons I became a BA. I speak business and IT.

And I’m with you on the minor details. This is why a white board and “bench testing” a design is critical. I actaully started using Visio as a white board in phone meetings back around the turn of the century. I shared my screen with the group and drew what we were talking about. It was comical when I would draw exactly what they were saying and say, “so, this data is from this box and goes here”. An the guy would say, “yes”, and another guy would say, “No, that data is from THIS system and is recalculated from THESE fields and then goes to THAT system”.

The first time I ever did that, even the shapes were hand drawn - and everybody wanted a copy after the meeting. I’ve never been on a failed project. I’ve seen them and I’ve almost been on one, but that 50% thing always sounded weird to me, though I understood how it could be true for some organizations.

That being said, I’ve worked for 18 companies and started out in the mainframe world. It feels like the whole industry is trying to re-learn what we already knew in the late 70’s. It is so sloppy nowadays that it is almost comical. I’ve not mentally bought into a project’s success for five years now. I’m just collecting a paycheck until I retire. A great deal of the reason is the company’s SDLC methodology. They seem to be more concerned about jumping through milestones rather than doing the process in a way that actually ensures project success. And I am often brought in to create business requirements after the developers have already started - and maybe finished - coding.

It’s hard to get on board with that paradigm, but it pays well. And our house and acreage is almost paid off.:)

I used to laugh at guys like me, but I get it now.


28 posted on 06/24/2020 7:19:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cuban leaf
Most companies have no idea how much it costs them.

You'd be surprised. In the past 30 years in my career I've been through four cycles of outsourcing to foreign companies.

Three of the companies that outsourced I left. I've been with my current employer 15 years now. This is the first time I've been with an employer long enough to see the outsource --> back to insource part of the cycle.

Outsourcing for us was an unmitigated disaster. It's been so bad our internal business partners asked us to re-insource starting last December. You can imagine how difficult that's been in a Chinese Virus addled world. Even still, our operational reliability has already dramatically improved, our change-control windows are met for the first time in three years and the number of "red" downtime incidents were cut by 2/3rds.

Yep, our business partners see the difference between cheap Indian IT outsourcing and good old fashioned American intelligence and diligence.

29 posted on 06/24/2020 7:23:44 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: zeestephen

Give them all our illegals, blms and antifas.


30 posted on 06/24/2020 7:50:06 AM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: usconservative; fuzzylogic

You guys are covering my career experience from 1978 to 2015. I was the requirements development guy in the 80s, communicating between the business community and the programmers. I saw how sensitive program success was to correct business requirements.

I moved into Six Sigma in 2003, which was similar—you had to have the correct goal or shut down the project. My company, Caterpillar, actually stopped political projects when they were demonstrated to be useless.

Then people manipulated the data to show whatever they wished and Six Sigma is now out. The experience taught me how climate change advocates manipulate stats.

Cat outsourced in the 2000s and suffered for it. They insourced in the 2010s. I was forced into retirement in 2015 during the Obama coal industry destruction.


31 posted on 06/24/2020 7:54:59 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Yes, the UK is leaving the EU.

I spliced in that EU comment without setting the context first, so it is confusing.


32 posted on 06/24/2020 8:03:07 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: usconservative

I should post that to my management. ;)


33 posted on 06/24/2020 8:51:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve also not been on a failed project. The industry has changed radically over the years. The project I referenced was a pure waterfall model. We were replacing an old mainframe application with a desktop app tied to a Sybase database. There were times when users felt we were telling them how to do their job, in reality we were pointing out that the way they were doing things were due to limitations of the old system - once you remove them you can do things differently. Once they understood we could actually make their lives easier their eyes lit up.

We created an entire book on their use-cases and HMI design before a single database table was defined. The user manual was practically done before we wrote a line of code.

I’m told that ‘nobody does waterfall anymore, now we do Agile’. As though one shoe fits all. I understand Agile, although it’s now been ‘industrialized’ and has lost all the original meaning, we’re doing a project right now that is *perfect* for it - we don’t know what the final solution will look like exactly, lots we don’t know but will never know unless we get going. Avoid the ‘analysis paralysis’.

That said, if you know *exactly* what a system should do, how it should do it, and can document it all ahead of time, why wouldn’t you do waterfall? When actual development started we had nobody confused about anything. We had design and code reviews, I don’t recall a single bug being reported once we officially launched.

I think part of the problem is what makes Project Managers most comfortable. Agile gives them a way to start very quickly, and show project plans. I don’t think it actually does much for the developer. If anything, depending on the type of project, it could be ‘fail before you start’ if not appropriate.

What I find funny about Agile - when I see people arguing over some ‘nuance of Agile’ that they interpret as ‘you MUST do it THIS way! Agile DEMANDS it!’ - they lose the essence of how it started, to BE AGILE. Now you can get a certificate to be a ‘certified Scrum Master’ lol. Even the guys that coined it hate what it has become.


34 posted on 06/24/2020 11:30:30 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic

There are two things I really like about Agile:

User stories
The CONCEPT of the stand-up meeting.

The rest of it can be implemented whatever way they want.

I think the reason for Agile sometimes working is that a lot o projects nowadays can be done to produce an MVP (Minimm viable product) and they may need to do it fast.

But in the days of mainframes, each individual piece of sofware was relatively simple. It didn’t do a million things like Windows or a video game. And a piece of software was more like an Airplane (I started my IT career at Boeing). An MVP airplane can fly. It may not have the paint or the seats, but it is a certified flyable airplane. Waterfall works best for that.

Everywhere I’ve worked this century does a Water-gile form of SDLC. But when it comes to eliciting Business requirements, I really like user stories.


35 posted on 06/24/2020 11:39:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

“The experience taught me how climate change advocates manipulate stats.”

In college I took audio/video production, statistics, and marketing in the same semester. In one swipe my eyes were opened to how to generate stats, skew their meaning, and how to present them!

I never saw Tv commercials the same!


36 posted on 06/24/2020 12:12:04 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
BS. You can say that about any profession as matter of fact the medical profession is being target. See any many young American doctors lately? I have, a tiny few.

Globalists like will rot in hell one day.

37 posted on 06/24/2020 12:16:34 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah, I agree.

“Water-gile” :)

Or “Agile scrum-fall” :)


38 posted on 06/24/2020 12:25:32 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Da Coyote

Start a Go Fund Me for one-way tickets to the UK. There are plenty of tech workers that would do the needful by chipping in a few bucks.


39 posted on 06/24/2020 12:30:13 PM PDT by bobcat62
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To: cuban leaf

Now you know why all of the urgent requirements from hell include this line:

- excellent verbal & written communication skills


40 posted on 06/24/2020 12:36:50 PM PDT by bobcat62
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