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Trump order to ban chokeholds unless officer's life in danger
The Hill ^ | 06 15 2020 | Morgan Chalfant

Posted on 06/16/2020 10:27:48 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

President Trump on Tuesday signed an executive order on police reform amid a broad national debate sparked by the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, which has itself led to heightened calls to address racial justice issues in the United States.

Trump held a Rose Garden event to sign the order, the text of which has yet to be released by the White House.

“What is needed now is not more stoking of fear and division. We need to bring law enforcement and communities closer together, not to drive them apart,” Trump said.

The executive order would use federal funding to incentivize police departments to improve training on the use of force and de-escalation techniques, administration officials said in a briefing ahead of the president's remarks. They said it also aims to strengthen information sharing so the federal government can better track officers who have excessive use of force complaints.

Trump offered few details on the legislation, though he said that chokeholds will be banned except for situations where an officer’s life is at risk. It is not clear who would make that judgement. Administration officials have said local leaders will largely shoulder the responsibility of getting law enforcement to comply.

The president said additional funding will be allocated to help police departments deal with homelessness, substance abuse and mental illness.

“We must build upon our heritage, not tear it down, and we must cherish the principles of America’s founding as we strive to deliver safe, beautiful and elegant justice and liberty for all,” Trump said shortly before signing the order.

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To: ConservativeMind
>>>It would appear to only cover police departments using federal funding and to federal law enforcement.

Which are most agencies. Most agencies get extra equipment (vehicles, cameras, computers, etc) and/or some of their extra officers through federal block grants of some kind.

41 posted on 06/16/2020 10:54:00 AM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: ClearCase_guy

All law enforcement personnel need constant physical training in self defense and restraint. The more training leads to a more proficient and disciplined officer. Most L E personnel are wonderful even tempered guys and gals who want to help their citizens and calm situations that may get out of control. There are rotten apples in every profession and they must be exposed and dealt with. This is true for the unruly protesters who are paid instigators of hate and violence. They must be isolated and dealt with ( old school way of discipline). Not Gestapo tactic’s, but strong immediate and meaningful education.


42 posted on 06/16/2020 10:54:14 AM PDT by shadeaud (Stand up and be proud that you are Americans regards of color)
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To: Cowboy Bob

At what point does this order define when the officers life being in danger?


43 posted on 06/16/2020 10:55:36 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Do you want to be a subject or a citizen.)
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To: rintintin

I wouldn’t want to be a cop using it now. It might not be technically ‘banned’ but if you don’t want your city burned down I wouldn’t be putting a knee on anyone’s neck.


44 posted on 06/16/2020 10:56:00 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: shadeaud

Also high IQ types are screened out early in the process. That’s how you wind up with 4 cops without a brain cell between them causing a national disturbance.


45 posted on 06/16/2020 10:56:05 AM PDT by proust (Justice delayed is injustice.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I don’t understand the animus against choke holds at all. Yes, they sometimes result in death. So would a punch, or pretty much ANY restraint. Seems like we’re reaching the point where the police can only arrest the cooperative...which, by definition, criminals are NOT!

I’d bring back batons and saps. Call the latter “blackjacks” and maybe they’ll become acceptable....


46 posted on 06/16/2020 10:58:38 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Responsibility2nd; All
Yup. That is why I just sent this note to the White House:

Dear Mr. President,

Your order re choke holds just pissed off a million cops.

George Floyd was not killed due to a choke hold.

Respectfully,

Mark Davis

47 posted on 06/16/2020 10:58:52 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

According to the text of the order, the maneuver used on Floyd would have been included among those banned.


48 posted on 06/16/2020 10:59:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: yesthatjallen

I have issued an executive order prohibiting anyone else from parking in my parking spot. So there.


49 posted on 06/16/2020 11:00:33 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Boogieman; 2banana

“In your world, the chokehold was the only non-lethal option?”

Well, when tasers fail, and since pepper spray is often worthless....chokeholds become one of the few VIABLE options left. Apart from smiling and waiving good-bye as the criminal strolls away.


50 posted on 06/16/2020 11:00:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Cobra64
Recall Javanka peddling the Prison reform nonsense.
These learjet libs are a danger to his reelection .
51 posted on 06/16/2020 11:06:30 AM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: Mr Rogers

I half feel tempted to allow Robocop to exist, because apparently they didn’t call brutality on Robocop for killing a lot of people, as well as neutering a rapist in one situation


52 posted on 06/16/2020 11:07:23 AM PDT by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!)
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To: yesthatjallen

“Trump order to ban chokeholds unless officer’s life in danger”

Ok? So what is the part of this that is setting hotheads off again?


53 posted on 06/16/2020 11:07:57 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: BenLurkin

Supreme Court just magically changed a law that shouldn’t have existed on the federal level in the first place. No one cares about the old concepts of federalism or separation of powers anymore. Time to accept that. Trump is the best we have in the fight against the communists that are currently in the middle of an attempted revolution.


54 posted on 06/16/2020 11:11:37 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: yesthatjallen

Banning choke holds is absolutely idiotic. In most cases choke holds are a tool for controlling combative or resisting suspects. Control the head, you control the body. You can employ a choke hold without cutting off blood or O2.


55 posted on 06/16/2020 11:15:23 AM PDT by Ajnin (Don't be a pansy, embrace the fireball.)
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To: Boogieman

Catch-22.

Do you like this setup? States abandon their sovereignty, totalitarian federal power runs amok?

It will take a miracle to restore our Free Constitutional Republic.


56 posted on 06/16/2020 11:16:13 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Boogieman; wiseprince

And I don’t see where the Constitution allows unconstitutional federal acts because of funding.

This must stop somewhere and SOON!


57 posted on 06/16/2020 11:18:59 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Wonderful. No more chokeholds”

For me to weigh in on the chokehold issue I’d need to understand why that method of restraint was sometimes required because other means would have been ineffective.

Also, the term ‘chokehold’ can refer to use of the knee that doesn’t involve choking. How about giving the non-choking uses of the knee another name.

Perhaps it’s going to be yes, the knee can be used but not to choke and such uses shall not be called “choke...”.


58 posted on 06/16/2020 11:20:31 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: yesthatjallen

If they don’t ban choke holds in the MMA the usual suspects are going to get triggered when they see it.


59 posted on 06/16/2020 11:25:50 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: BenLurkin

When you accept federal fundings they can condition it on following federal orders. That’s why Hillsdale has never accepted federal funding.


60 posted on 06/16/2020 11:30:28 AM PDT by socalgop
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