Posted on 06/13/2020 12:25:07 PM PDT by robowombat
Abraham Lincoln Statue In Boston 'Has To Go,' Petition Demands The statue, located near the Boston Common, depicts a freed slave kneeling at Lincoln's feet while wearing shackles.
By Neal McNamara, Patch Staff
| Updated Jun 13, 2020 2:21 pm ET
The Emancipation Memorial, also known as the Freedman's Memorial or the Emancipation Group, is sometimes referred to as the "Lincoln Memorial." The Emancipation Memorial, also known as the Freedman's Memorial or the Emancipation Group, is sometimes referred to as the "Lincoln Memorial." (Shutterstock/Dominionart) BOSTON — Statues across the nation are being toppled amid an uprising against racism following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis — and one local activist has his sights set on getting rid of an Abraham Lincoln monument in downtown Boston.
Boston resident Tory Bullock started a petition this week to remove the Lincoln statute, located just south of the Boston Common. The statue depicts a shackled slave kneeling in front of Lincoln.
"It's supposed to represent freedom but instead represents us still beneath someone else," Bullock wrote in his petition. "I would always ask myself, 'If he's free why is he still on his knees?'"
Almost 5,000 people signed the petition by Saturday morning, agreeing with Bullock's interpretation of the statue.
"This outdated, never should have been created statue is a stark image of African pain, hurt and oppression," wrote Ukumbwa Sauti. "We must not allow it to stand and retrench racist, oppressive ideas. It is not a modern narrative and must come down."
"I like the idea of re-commissioning the statue to commemorate Emancipation differently," wrote Seth Kosto.
Subscribe Boston Mayor Marty Walsh's office has said the city may consider removing the statue, or repurposing it, according to CBS Boston.
Just this week, a statue of Christopher Columbus in Boston's North End was beheaded and eventually removed. Columbus is an important figure for Italian Americans, although many say he should not be memorialized because the explorer committed genocide when he arrived in the Bahamas in 1492, among other transgressions.
Across the country, statues of Confederate leaders like Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee have either been removed or taken over by protesters in recent weeks. On Monday, a statute of slave trader Edward Colston was torn down in thrown into a waterway in Bristol, England.
BS says: “9th Ohio Volunteer Infantry. accepted for service Aug 1, 1861. Raised by former Ohio Congressman J.R. Giddings. He was an avid abolitionist, ex Free Soiler and a Republican. Giddings supposedly queried each man volunteering for the regiment their views on abolition of slavery. If they didn’t match his, they were not allows to enlist in the 29th. The Regiment was also dubbed the Abolition Regiment.”
BS says: “never once have I ever made a statement that the war was fought to free the slaves.”
Your being gracious. I would have said bat sh*t crazy.
1n 1860 the Norther states produced 25,232,000 lbs. of wool
The Southern States produced 8,337,000 lbs. wool.
Really don’t see much competition between the two.
Your Point?
A negro employee of Harvard University once told me “Wre had it pretty good until those ‘field niggars’ from the south came.”
Lots in that statement...
The Emancipation Memorial, also known as the Freedman's Memorial or the Emancipation Group, is sometimes referred to as the "Lincoln Memorial."
The actual, original Freedman's Memorial was erected in Lincoln Park in Washington, D.C. in 1876. Congress accepted it as a gift from the "colored citizens of the United States." The model for the slave was freedman Alexander Archer. The memorial was a gift solely paid for by "emancipated citizens" to honor Abraham Lincoln.
Frederick Douglass gave the dedication speech.
The plaque on the "Freedom's Memorial in grateful memory of Abraham Lincoln" reads:
This monument was erected by the Western Sanitary Commission of Saint Louis Mo: With funds contributed solely by emancipated citizens of the United States declared free by his proclamation January 1 A.D. 1863. The first contribution of five dollars was made by Charlotte Scott. A freedwoman of Virginia being her first earnings in freedom and consecrated by her suggestion and request on the day she heard of President Lincoln's death to build a monument to his memory.
In 1879, a copy of the statue was donated to Boston.
Probably a lot of "Bradley Effect" going on here as well.
And while we're at it, being in favor of "abolition", is one thing, but being in favor of it for the wrong reasons is another. Ohio is very labor Union oriented today. Were they against free labor, or were they against the immorality of slavery?
We still have religious fanatics today, they just have a different religion than they did in John Brown's day. This current Antifa/BLM stuff for example.
They hate "hate" so badly, that they will commit all sorts of acts of hate to show how badly they hate hate.
1n 1860 the Norther states produced 25,232,000 lbs. of wool. The Southern States produced 8,337,000 lbs. wool. Really don’t see much competition between the two.
What is wool used for? What other product was greatly more popular for the same purpose? Who produced this product and how?
What is wool used for? What other product was greatly more popular for the same purpose? Who produced this product and how?
Wool was used to make warm, durable cloth suitable for the Northern climes of Europe and the United States. Not much cotton is worn in Quebec, Minnesota or Norway in December. By the same token not much wool is worn in Spain, the Congo or Mississippi in August.
High quality clothing in both Europe and the United States was made of wool, not cotton. Even the Confederate Army wanted to use wool for the uniforms of it’s soldiers. This is because wool was much more durable and the uniform articles would last much longer than cotton. Since the Confederacy didn’t have access to large quantities of wool, they had to settle for a wool cotton blend called jean. The Confederates even imported wool uniforms for Britain and Ireland.
In warmer climates like Southern Europe, Africa, India, Southern United States and indoor comfort in colder climates, cotton is the cloth of choice. But it has limitations. It is not suitable for colder climates or where durability is a requirement. In reality, cotton and wool are not direct competitors in the textile trades. Both have their uses and markets. Cottons is the larger of the two markets and the South was the primary producer of cotton.
I answered your question. Yes, there were some in the army that cared about abolition before Jan 1 1863. Not many, mind you, but a few did.
As you have pointed out so many time, the reason why, doesn’t matter.
Those people were free to support abolition for whatever reason they chose.
I think you accurately understand the percentages of opinions of the rank and file. I am still pointing out I was always referring to the movers and shakers, not the order followers. The top of the chain of command didn't care about abolishing slavery when they initiated their military engagements.
As you have pointed out so many time, the reason why, doesn’t matter. Those people were free to support abolition for whatever reason they chose.
Self Interest is self interest masquerading as altruism.
If they were against slavery for their own benefit, then it's really self interest, not opposition to slavery. These sort would defend it if they were making a buck off of it, sames as the Southerners were doing.
Caring about slavery is not caring about your own self interest.
Self Interest is self interest masquerading as altruism.
We are seceding from the Union for States rights and our independence.
The self interest, protection of the economic system that evolved in the deep South. nothing more nothing less.
The South never pretended it was about anything other than their own self interest. The North has billed their invasion as a great moral conflict with God on their side.
You know the answer to that question. Except Brown got out of the wool business in 1849 when he had his partner Perkins went out of business. Brown had a much long history in the tanning industry prior to his association with dealing in wool.
Your unstated premise that Brown tried to forment slave rebellion to bolster the price of wool is a very far reach.
The South never pretended it was about anything other than their own self interest
That is correct, it was in best their self interest to leave the Union to ensure that their economic system was not interfered with by the incoming Lincoln/Republican administration.
That's the propaganda we keep hearing, but in practical terms there was very little that Lincoln or the Republicans could actually do to interfere with their economic system. In real terms, the South would have seen massive increase in capital from getting out from under trade and taxation rules that benefited New York and Washington DC at their expense.
The powerful corruption cartel running things in the North would have lost huge amounts of money, and the Southern states would have gained huge amounts of money.
It was the underlying but unspoken reason why the North went to war.
It isn't the only aspect of it. My point is also along the lines of him developing a hatred of the cotton producers as a consequence of bitter disappointment in his efforts to make a living in the wool business.
That hatred colored his outlook, and he post hoc justified that hatred by claiming a noble goal for it.
I think i've mentioned to you before, that too often people's "morality" is colored by their own self interest. Here is what I consider to be a fairly clear example of it.
They won’t be happy until there’s a statue of a brotha kneeling on a honky-ass cracka’s neck.
him developing a hatred of the cotton producers as a consequence of bitter disappointment in his efforts to make a living in the wool business.
John Brown’s life was devoted to anti slave activity. His father’s home was a stop on the underground railway. The first house John Brown built in 1820 had a safe room for runaways. While living in Plainfield Mass, he joint the only church run by abolitionists, He help turn that town into one of the safest stops on the underground railway. No slave that made to Plainfield was ever returned to slavery. He was in the tanning business for 15 years before getting into wool He learned the tanning trade from his father, (Jesse Grant, U.S. Grants father, learned tanning as a Brown apprentice) He was in the wool business for about 3 years.
Brown was an abolitionist from his youngest days. I think it is a far reach to say failure in the wool business motivated John Brown into abolitionism. He was there many years before he had anything to do with wool.
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