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Abraham Lincoln Statue In Boston 'Has To Go,' Petition Demands
Medford Patch ^ | Jun 13, 2020 2:21 pm ET | Neal McNamara

Posted on 06/13/2020 12:25:07 PM PDT by robowombat

Abraham Lincoln Statue In Boston 'Has To Go,' Petition Demands The statue, located near the Boston Common, depicts a freed slave kneeling at Lincoln's feet while wearing shackles.

By Neal McNamara, Patch Staff

| Updated Jun 13, 2020 2:21 pm ET

The Emancipation Memorial, also known as the Freedman's Memorial or the Emancipation Group, is sometimes referred to as the "Lincoln Memorial." The Emancipation Memorial, also known as the Freedman's Memorial or the Emancipation Group, is sometimes referred to as the "Lincoln Memorial." (Shutterstock/Dominionart) BOSTON — Statues across the nation are being toppled amid an uprising against racism following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis — and one local activist has his sights set on getting rid of an Abraham Lincoln monument in downtown Boston.

Boston resident Tory Bullock started a petition this week to remove the Lincoln statute, located just south of the Boston Common. The statue depicts a shackled slave kneeling in front of Lincoln.

"It's supposed to represent freedom but instead represents us still beneath someone else," Bullock wrote in his petition. "I would always ask myself, 'If he's free why is he still on his knees?'"

Almost 5,000 people signed the petition by Saturday morning, agreeing with Bullock's interpretation of the statue.

"This outdated, never should have been created statue is a stark image of African pain, hurt and oppression," wrote Ukumbwa Sauti. "We must not allow it to stand and retrench racist, oppressive ideas. It is not a modern narrative and must come down."

"I like the idea of re-commissioning the statue to commemorate Emancipation differently," wrote Seth Kosto.

Subscribe Boston Mayor Marty Walsh's office has said the city may consider removing the statue, or repurposing it, according to CBS Boston.

Just this week, a statue of Christopher Columbus in Boston's North End was beheaded and eventually removed. Columbus is an important figure for Italian Americans, although many say he should not be memorialized because the explorer committed genocide when he arrived in the Bahamas in 1492, among other transgressions.

Across the country, statues of Confederate leaders like Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee have either been removed or taken over by protesters in recent weeks. On Monday, a statute of slave trader Edward Colston was torn down in thrown into a waterway in Bristol, England.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; emancipation; gratitude; ignorance; torybullock; ukumbwasauti; waronart
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To: RegulatorCountry

Consider just why it couldn’t apply

Answered the question


101 posted on 06/13/2020 5:54:12 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Poorly. Just “unconstitutional,” skating right past the why of it.


102 posted on 06/13/2020 5:55:46 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

So the Constitution is insufficient a reason to do something.


103 posted on 06/13/2020 6:05:37 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

You continue to skate right past just why it was unconstitutional.

Strange, that. Wonder why?


104 posted on 06/13/2020 6:08:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

what was unconstitutional. Those states that had slavery and remained in the Union, retained slavery un-impeded by the Lincoln administration. Those areas under occupation by the Union Army still retained slaves.

Show me in the Constitution where the President cannot take action against a rebellion or a war?


105 posted on 06/13/2020 6:12:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Oh, so now we feign being obtuse.

This is tedious. I’m done.


106 posted on 06/13/2020 6:14:52 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: jeffersondem
The word emancipation means “the freeing of someone from slavery.” That could be a reference to Lincoln's proclamation, true; it could also be a reference to the 13th amendment as finally adopted. I wasn't sure so I asked. I didn't think there would be anything wrong in asking a question.

Fine sample of your pretzel logic.

107 posted on 06/13/2020 6:15:52 PM PDT by HandyDandy (I was once IN before the jump-roping Tyrannosaurus Rex.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

unable to answer the question I guess.


108 posted on 06/13/2020 6:22:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

The 1st Kansas (Colored) mustered 6 companies into Federal service Jan 13 1863. They were also the first black troops to see combat. By June they had added an additional 4 companies to become a full size regiment. Most of the manpower came from slaves escaping from Missouri.


109 posted on 06/13/2020 6:34:34 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

“Do the Democrats have the votes for an Amendment to void the Second Amendment?”

To my knowledge, Lincoln never tried to abolish the Second Amendment.

I’m not following your thinking.


110 posted on 06/13/2020 6:37:08 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Bull Snipe

That’s as good of an answer for your behavior as any, but I lean more toward intentionally obtuse as I’ve replied to you before.


111 posted on 06/13/2020 6:37:44 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Exactly what question do you want answered.


112 posted on 06/13/2020 6:39:56 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: OIFVeteran
John Brown was a loon.

I looked him up. His primary business was producing wool. He actually worked to create a coalition of wool producers in Massachusetts, but it didn't work out.

I wonder what the dominant product in competition against wool was in the 1850s?

Think there might have been a little self interest animosity there?

113 posted on 06/13/2020 6:41:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
And a dictator elected twice by the citizens of the United States.

There are parts of the country that like dictators, though I don't consider the second election to be as clean as the first one. In those days criticizing Lincoln could get you jailed.

Ask "Septimus Winner" who wrote "Give us back our old commander."

Jailed. For publishing a song. A pro-Union song.

114 posted on 06/13/2020 6:45:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: HP8753

“Racist Democrats are still passed at Lincoln for freeing their slaves”

Is this your explanation of the controversy over the Lincoln statue in Boston?


115 posted on 06/13/2020 6:45:35 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Bull Snipe
“Those states that had slavery and remained in the Union, retained slavery un-impeded by the Lincoln administration.”

If this is true, I guess we can forever dismiss the notion that Lincoln and the north fought for the high moral purpose of “freeing the slaves.”

116 posted on 06/13/2020 6:50:51 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Bull Snipe
Still after the emancipation proclamation. Show me some troops that were at the launch of the war, and I will concede the point that people gave a sh*t about slavery when the war began.

And again, In my original comment I was referring to the administrators of the war, not the rank and file.

117 posted on 06/13/2020 6:57:14 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jeffersondem

never once have I ever made a statement that the war was fought to free the slaves.


118 posted on 06/13/2020 7:02:28 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Show me some troops that were at the launch of the war, and I will concede the point that people gave a sh*t about slavery when the war began.”

29th Ohio Volunteer Infantry. accepted for service Aug 1, 1861. Raised by former Ohio Congressman J.R. Giddings. He was an avid abolitionist, ex Free Soiler and a Republican. Giddings supposedly queried each man volunteering for the regiment their views on abolition of slavery. If they didn’t match his, they were not allows to enlist in the 29th. The Regiment was also dubbed the Abolition Regiment.


119 posted on 06/13/2020 7:20:19 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

“never once have I ever made a statement that the war was fought to free the slaves.”

Who was it in post 143 (Confederate monuments’ removal praised by Southern Baptists) that wrote:

“All well and good, the end result, the Confederate States of America eradicated and hereditary chattel slavery abolished forever from the United States of America.”

The “all well and good” was a reference to possible reasons the north fought the war, including the possibility that Mr. Lincoln “actively used the military to overthrow slavery and the USA pro-slavery constitution.”

You are cutting it pretty close.


120 posted on 06/13/2020 7:24:48 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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