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Second autopsy says George Floyd was asphyxiated
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | 6/1/2020 | Paul Walsh and Liz Navratil

Posted on 06/01/2020 3:23:03 PM PDT by Valpal1

... a private autopsy conducted by two doctors found he died of asphyxia, which happens which pressure is placed on certain parts of the body, limiting the flow of oxygen to the brain and shutting down organs.

Hours later, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a new report saying that he died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The medical examiner's report also listed "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease," "fentanyl intoxication" and "recent methamphetamine use" as "other significant conditions."

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: faketitle; georgefloyd; georgefloydautopsy; georgefloydbackstory; police
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To: Thud

You sir are correct, and have a fine fact based reasoning process...


101 posted on 06/01/2020 4:44:26 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: ncalburt
Trolling for the terrorist groups.

The terrorist groups aren’t protesting anything — certainly not the murder of George Floyd. The terrorist groups are piggy-backing on a cause not their own, solely to stir trouble and hurt people and damage property.

There are very valid reasons here for peaceful protest — which, by the way is guaranteed in our Constitution:

“Congress shall make no law … abridging … the right of the people peaceably to assemble …”

But you knew that, didn’t you...?

Drugged up or not, George Floyd was murdered. People have a right to be dismayed and to peacefully protest.

Those are separate from the terrorists.

But you knew that, too, didn’t you...?

102 posted on 06/01/2020 4:45:30 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: mass55th
So why was Floyd removed from the patrol car? See my No. 97.
"If he upgrades it to 1st degree Murder he’d have to prove that Chauvin pre-conceived, and pre-planned the murder of Floyd that day, and that would be impossible to prove."

103 posted on 06/01/2020 4:45:40 PM PDT by Thud
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To: golux
A neck restraint is listed as a “non-deadly force option” in the Minneapolis Police Department Policy & Procedure Manual, according to the police. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances:

On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
For life saving purposes, or;
On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy.

104 posted on 06/01/2020 4:46:26 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Thud

Nobody has seen the body cam footage, which would probably answer that question.

If they find witnesses to any altercations or dust ups between the two at the bar they both worked at, expect charges to be upgraded.


105 posted on 06/01/2020 4:49:29 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Thud

he fought getting into the car.
he fought being handcuffed

he was never secured and in the car .
he was huge like 6’6 ‘
and high on drugs guy.
and fighting .

no one in test state can go off in a car unsecured .

So was is your point ?


106 posted on 06/01/2020 4:51:30 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: BereanBrain

Right, then the autopsy should show "positional asphyxia".


107 posted on 06/01/2020 4:51:52 PM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: Thud
The issue of why Floyd was removed from the patrol car is far more important than the immediate medical cause of death. The immediate medical cause of death from being shot in the heart is heart failure - the heart stopped beating.

The obvious answer is they could not secure him because he was resisting.

Remember Freddy Gray?

The police were criminally charged, because did not secure Gray (with a seat belt) before they transported him.

Have you any idea how hard it is for an officer, at most two, to try to get a seat belt on an wildly resisting 6'7", extremely muscular man, who has his legs free and does not want that seat belt on?

They could not leave him in the car, because he might have severely injured himself.

They had to get him out and restrain him.

At one point, three officers are on top of him, to restrain him, alongside the car.

He was a giant of a guy, and it appears he was high on possibly multiple drugs.

A person in handcuffs can do a lot of damage.

And, of course, they had to get him out of the car to be ready to be placed in the ambulance they had called for.

108 posted on 06/01/2020 4:53:41 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: mass55th

They said Saint George was driving a nice Mercedes.

A nice car for an out of work ex bouncer.

Perhaps he was a pharmaceutical dealer.


109 posted on 06/01/2020 4:55:07 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: BereanBrain

Perhaps a Federal Forensic pathologist needs to take a look since the FBI and DOJ are involved.


110 posted on 06/01/2020 4:55:28 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: shelterguy
"Perhaps he was a pharmaceutical dealer."

That's interesting. I didn't know he was driving a Mercedes. Wow, that stimulus check, unemployment, and the $600 a week CARES money can really take you far.

111 posted on 06/01/2020 4:58:23 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Magnatron
You have no idea what murder is ?

A drugged out huge person violently resisting arrest is not getting s pretty please .
No one does especially for twice trying to pass off fake 20 dollar bills at the same store.
Its a huge federal offense .

Go back to the DU with this left BS .

112 posted on 06/01/2020 4:59:33 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: ncalburt
Go back to the DU with this left BS

*yawn*

113 posted on 06/01/2020 5:09:22 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: marktwain

Here’s a nice little article in Police Magazine outlining what an officer should do to avoid a restraint death.

Pretty much the opposite of everything Chauvin did.

https://www.policemag.com/524139/how-to-prevent-positional-asphyxia


114 posted on 06/01/2020 5:13:21 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: ncalburt

Tell me more about Floyd never being in the patrol car. That’s the factual issue.


115 posted on 06/01/2020 5:22:08 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Leaning Right; Zhang Fei

Unless I am misreading current reports, it now appears that both MEs agree that this was a homicide, and that the primary cause of death was asphyxia due to the restraint hold being applied.

It looks like justice will proceed in this matter.


116 posted on 06/01/2020 5:36:03 PM PDT by chris37 (China's Gift wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: Valpal1

It’s hard to know who to believe, but we all have to Remember that the family most likely couldn’t afford to hire Michel Badan , so he has to be doing this for another reason such as a promise of getting a cut from the settlement. It took the State coroner almost a week to study the body, but this guy comes in and finds the cause of death in a day. But still, who knows....


117 posted on 06/01/2020 5:36:11 PM PDT by ac-rep
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To: Zhang Fei

Hmmm. I hadn’t considered that possibility.


118 posted on 06/01/2020 5:37:25 PM PDT by chris37 (China's Gift wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: flamberge

“I believe that the Officer caused this death by deliberately using an unsound, unsafe, and unnecessary control technique. I am astonished and dismayed that that same technique is still included in the rules and procedures book.”

I also believe this. Furthermore, for him not to even get up at all while the man complains is outrageous. And it furthered angered me how they cradled his head. I know they knew he was dead right then.

I would not want to walk this earth in Derek Chauvin’s shoes. His soul is damned. Why did he do that?


119 posted on 06/01/2020 5:40:50 PM PDT by chris37 (China's Gift wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: Valpal1
Thanks for the article. Quite interesting.

Also interesting is the comment immediately after the article, which I quote below:

With all due respect, I feel I've been transported into the early 1990s before Dr. Donald Reay recanted under testimony his theory of positional asphyxia, that his research was improper, and positional asphyxia related to the maximally restrained subject whose airway is not compromised doesn't exist. There is no reason, per Dr. Gary Vilke, MD, a UCSD researcher and leading authority on Excited Delirium Syndrome deaths, states "There is no physiologic reason not to" in attempting to restrain subject through vascular neck restraints. Placing weight as officers are trained to do to control a subject until handcuffed presents no danger to a subject and is used hundreds of times per day across the nation without deaths except for those who have a propensity or condition leading them to die having nothing to do with the officers' restraints. Yes, officers are trained to take body weight off a handcuffed, still struggling subject. Yes, officers are trained to no longer attached a hobble restraint to the handcuffs of that still-struggling subject. Yes, officers are trained to place the still struggling maximally restrained subject on his/her side in a rescue position. The reason for these precautions is for civil liability and optics, not for practical reasons. This article sets back our efforts to get real information in the hands of officers and continues discredited and disproven ideas.

120 posted on 06/01/2020 5:45:39 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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