Posted on 06/01/2020 3:23:03 PM PDT by Valpal1
... a private autopsy conducted by two doctors found he died of asphyxia, which happens which pressure is placed on certain parts of the body, limiting the flow of oxygen to the brain and shutting down organs.
Hours later, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a new report saying that he died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
The medical examiner's report also listed "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease," "fentanyl intoxication" and "recent methamphetamine use" as "other significant conditions."
(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...
You sir are correct, and have a fine fact based reasoning process...
The terrorist groups aren’t protesting anything — certainly not the murder of George Floyd. The terrorist groups are piggy-backing on a cause not their own, solely to stir trouble and hurt people and damage property.
There are very valid reasons here for peaceful protest — which, by the way is guaranteed in our Constitution:
“Congress shall make no law … abridging … the right of the people peaceably to assemble …”
But you knew that, didn’t you...?
Drugged up or not, George Floyd was murdered. People have a right to be dismayed and to peacefully protest.
Those are separate from the terrorists.
But you knew that, too, didn’t you...?
"If he upgrades it to 1st degree Murder he’d have to prove that Chauvin pre-conceived, and pre-planned the murder of Floyd that day, and that would be impossible to prove."
On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
For life saving purposes, or;
On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy.
Nobody has seen the body cam footage, which would probably answer that question.
If they find witnesses to any altercations or dust ups between the two at the bar they both worked at, expect charges to be upgraded.
he fought getting into the car.
he fought being handcuffed
he was never secured and in the car .
he was huge like 6’6 ‘
and high on drugs guy.
and fighting .
no one in test state can go off in a car unsecured .
So was is your point ?
The obvious answer is they could not secure him because he was resisting.
Remember Freddy Gray?
The police were criminally charged, because did not secure Gray (with a seat belt) before they transported him.
Have you any idea how hard it is for an officer, at most two, to try to get a seat belt on an wildly resisting 6'7", extremely muscular man, who has his legs free and does not want that seat belt on?
They could not leave him in the car, because he might have severely injured himself.
They had to get him out and restrain him.
At one point, three officers are on top of him, to restrain him, alongside the car.
He was a giant of a guy, and it appears he was high on possibly multiple drugs.
A person in handcuffs can do a lot of damage.
And, of course, they had to get him out of the car to be ready to be placed in the ambulance they had called for.
They said Saint George was driving a nice Mercedes.
A nice car for an out of work ex bouncer.
Perhaps he was a pharmaceutical dealer.
Perhaps a Federal Forensic pathologist needs to take a look since the FBI and DOJ are involved.
That's interesting. I didn't know he was driving a Mercedes. Wow, that stimulus check, unemployment, and the $600 a week CARES money can really take you far.
A drugged out huge person violently resisting arrest is not getting s pretty please .
No one does especially for twice trying to pass off fake 20 dollar bills at the same store.
Its a huge federal offense .
Go back to the DU with this left BS .
*yawn*
Here’s a nice little article in Police Magazine outlining what an officer should do to avoid a restraint death.
Pretty much the opposite of everything Chauvin did.
https://www.policemag.com/524139/how-to-prevent-positional-asphyxia
Tell me more about Floyd never being in the patrol car. That’s the factual issue.
Unless I am misreading current reports, it now appears that both MEs agree that this was a homicide, and that the primary cause of death was asphyxia due to the restraint hold being applied.
It looks like justice will proceed in this matter.
It’s hard to know who to believe, but we all have to Remember that the family most likely couldn’t afford to hire Michel Badan , so he has to be doing this for another reason such as a promise of getting a cut from the settlement. It took the State coroner almost a week to study the body, but this guy comes in and finds the cause of death in a day. But still, who knows....
Hmmm. I hadn’t considered that possibility.
“I believe that the Officer caused this death by deliberately using an unsound, unsafe, and unnecessary control technique. I am astonished and dismayed that that same technique is still included in the rules and procedures book.”
I also believe this. Furthermore, for him not to even get up at all while the man complains is outrageous. And it furthered angered me how they cradled his head. I know they knew he was dead right then.
I would not want to walk this earth in Derek Chauvin’s shoes. His soul is damned. Why did he do that?
Also interesting is the comment immediately after the article, which I quote below:
With all due respect, I feel I've been transported into the early 1990s before Dr. Donald Reay recanted under testimony his theory of positional asphyxia, that his research was improper, and positional asphyxia related to the maximally restrained subject whose airway is not compromised doesn't exist. There is no reason, per Dr. Gary Vilke, MD, a UCSD researcher and leading authority on Excited Delirium Syndrome deaths, states "There is no physiologic reason not to" in attempting to restrain subject through vascular neck restraints. Placing weight as officers are trained to do to control a subject until handcuffed presents no danger to a subject and is used hundreds of times per day across the nation without deaths except for those who have a propensity or condition leading them to die having nothing to do with the officers' restraints. Yes, officers are trained to take body weight off a handcuffed, still struggling subject. Yes, officers are trained to no longer attached a hobble restraint to the handcuffs of that still-struggling subject. Yes, officers are trained to place the still struggling maximally restrained subject on his/her side in a rescue position. The reason for these precautions is for civil liability and optics, not for practical reasons. This article sets back our efforts to get real information in the hands of officers and continues discredited and disproven ideas.
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