These cops are innocent. The medical examiner could find no sign of suffocation, or of being choked. He also said that Floyd had health problems such as heart disease and high blood pressure. The medical examiner finished the autopsy BEFORE this became a big deal, and he found that he died of his heart problems, and not from being choked. The officers called for medical very early in the process. Floyd was having problems breathing for sure, but probably because he was having a heart attack. Ever seen or heard of someone being suffocated to death by only applying pressure to the back of the neck? I would say it’s almost not possible. Try to choke yourself only by applying pressure to the back of the neck. Eric Garner died the same way Floyd did.
Pressure was applied to the *side* of the neck. Not the back. You know, where the major blood vessels to the brain are?
Also, keep in mind this is the same ME that tried to avoid declaring that yet another Minneapolis police officer had shot a white woman whose only offense is that she had reported a crime. I wouldn’t believe a word they said.
The officers called for medical... and than put their knee on his neck for 8 minutes?
They sure cared about his health and well being...
NOT
In most of these situations the perp is very large, drunk or on drugs, and uncooperative. Under those circumstances it’s hard for cops to control him, and he’s often prone to collapsing and even dying in the process.
If you read the Statement of Probable Cause - here - it says that kneeling on his neck contributed to Floyd's death. In other words, Floyd may have keeled over with a coronary tomorrow, but four days ago he would not have died if the officer had not knelt on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes. Third degree murder charges are completely warranted.
funny...take a closer look and tell me, these were EMT’s on the scene
Did they even take him to the hospital? This gets screwier every day. Do city cops normally drive the ambulances?
https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/1266429879899357186?s=21
These trials are going to be interesting, but I think the cops are screwed. The mob wants convictions, and what jury wouldn’t give it to them?
There is no way you can get a jury who hasn’t heard about this thing, and they will convict just to avoid more riots.
Are you serious? These cops are not “innocent.”
That one cop with his knee on top of Flynn’s neck with his body weight on top of him as he’s being pressed into concrete even though he’s restrained makes him guilty as sin.
I ditto your assessment. He was not suffocated and it is clear to me that no one can speak they are NOT getting air.
If I was arrested for any reason, it would not escalate to require 4 cops and one of them kneeling on my neck to subdue me. Maybe Officer Chauvin has witnessed an associate having his thumb bit off ? Kneeling on the neck is an excellent technique to prevent thumb chomping. Think the riots are bad now ? wait till Officer Chauvin is reinstated back on the force cause he “dindu nuffin” wrong.
I wouldn’t say he’s “innocent”. This is not an approved use of force. But he won’t be convicted of 3rd degree murder.
I never killed anyone, but actually have rendered people unconscious a several times, by temporarily crushing their carotid artery or cutting off their airway. We did it at various levels of Army and Marine combatives. I have seen others in the service do it a number of times as well.
It is very easy to do.
Having done it before, and watched the EDITED Floyd video, you can visibly see the officers right leg/foot swing around behind him, while his left knee remains generally square on the carotid artery location. You don’t need anywhere near that much pressure to cut off blood flow to the brain through the carotid artery.
As well, when the officers right leg and foot swings/pivots around, the only option is for nearly all the officers weight to be placed into the knee, which pressed into the carotid portion of the Floyd’s neck.
I am not at all against the threat of deadly force, or against deadly force, within the split second “continuum of deadly force”.
However, I agree with Dan Bongino on this... The real key term here is “resistance”.
Once a person is arrested with hands cuffed behind the back, face down, *because their hands and arms cannot relieve their own weight from pushing against their own diaphragm and lungs, they are already distressed significantly. Heart attacks sometimes happen in this position, even without weight apllied.
In fact, this is one reason why this ttp is so used, to increase the stress level and vulnerability of the suspect, which serves to keep the suspect subdued.
However, the key word here is “resist”.
Once the person is arrested, and no longer resisting, threat of an officers force can remain, but the actual use of potentially deadly force should not be continuous.
This officer kept his knee pressed into Floyd’s neck for at least 4-5 minutes.
It’s a different yet related idea, but if I were to get the upper hand, and place a person into a simple rear naked choke hold, I can cut off both blood flow and oxygen from that person. They will go unconscious in many cases within 45 seconds. Depends on what I do. If I wanted to kill them, I could just keep the same pressure, or increase lateral pressure for another minute or so, and they are gone.
So there are actually two ideas here. One is cutting off airway, which goes to asphyxiation argument. The other is applying lateral pressure on the carotid, which can absolutely destroy their brain.
These are related, yet the exact pathology is different.
The direct pressure on Floyd’s neck was not on his airway, but on the carotid, as he had naturally turned his head to the side, to try and breath through his airway, and exposed his carotid to the officers knee and weight.
Come on over. Reach out to shake hands or an elbow and I’ll have you down with a neck hold that’ll have you pass out in 10 seconds. Hold for 2 minutes. You’re done.
Don’t come at night. I get nervous when anyone is in my woods -you could be a coyote.
You have on video a murder by men with guns and badges. I no longer respect LEOS.
They are in their own club and “citizens” are the enemy until proven otherwise.
Sad.
No - you are just not smart enough to understand the law. Underlying conditions precipitating a death don't alleviate you from responsibility. Good grief.
The stupid is strong here.