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Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy
The Washington Times ^ | Friday, May 29, 2020 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 05/29/2020 1:55:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

George Floyd died Monday from a combination of preexisting health conditions exacerbated by being held down by Minneapolis officers, not from strangulation or asphyxiation, based on the medical examiner’s initial report.

Preliminary findings from a Tuesday autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,” according to the criminal complaint filed Friday against former officer Derek Michael Chauvin.

“Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” said the complaint from the Hennepin County Attorney. “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

The Minneapolis police officer fired earlier this week was charged Friday with third-degree murder and manslaughter after kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Video showed he was unresponsive for the last 2 minutes and 53 seconds.

“Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous,” the complaint said.

According to the filing, officers confronted Mr. Floyd after receiving a 911 call saying that he had paid for merchandise at Cup Foods with a phony $20 bill. They found him nearby in his vehicle with an adult male and female.

Mr. Floyd, who was six feet tall and weighed over 200 pounds, was handcuffed and led to the squad car, but resisted getting inside, saying he was claustrophobic.

While standing, he said repeatedly he couldn’t breathe. Mr. Floyd struggled as officers tried to force him into the car and fell to the ground. Two officers held him down while Officer Chauvin pressed his knee on the suspect’s neck.

Mr. Floyd said “I can’t breathe” multiple times, as well as

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To: Paddy Irish

So what if he was intoxicated. It has no bearing on the actions of the officer. George Floyd was alive until the police put his knee on his neck.


221 posted on 05/29/2020 4:09:56 PM PDT by HollyB (Cv timeline)
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To: MHGinTN
Can I use your phone-line to God that gives you these ‘miraculous pronouncements’?

No phone line needed. Just read the documents that are out there.

222 posted on 05/29/2020 4:10:11 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Zhang Fei

It goes on to say that this maneuver must stop as soon as the suspect asks for help. Why did you leave that out?


223 posted on 05/29/2020 4:11:42 PM PDT by HollyB (Cv timeline)
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To: Pirate Ragnar
1. I have significant expertise in everything medical I commented on. All of it.

2. Breaking the law, or being suspected of it, does NOT mean you are fair game for anything the police want to do to you. The vast majority of police believe this and act accordingly, and we are very fortunate to have such people working to protect our communities. That said, those few who do not respect the responsibility that comes with their badge should not be empowered as police officers.

3. No, I do not ask my patients if they own a gun. If I had that mindset I wouldn't be on this site.

Number three raises another point that I think needs to be addressed here. Jim Robinson has put together a site that has helped and comforted a lot of people who feel like their voices and their beliefs were not respected or heard in the world we live in. He deserves tremendous respect for that. As such, we should all treat each other well here, and respect each other’s opinions - even if we don't agree with them.

Probably 99% of people on this site have great respect for the demands of police work, and for those who put their lives at risk for us. That doesn't mean we have to defend the actions of every police officer.

224 posted on 05/29/2020 4:11:56 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Gay State Conservative
My understanding of the two cases...this recent one vs the one involving the Australian woman...suggests to me that the degree of negligence/recklessness is greater in the Australian woman's case. I think I could be OK with this cop getting 5-7 years...maybe even 10.But no more

The difference to me is that in the Diamond shooting, Noor was panicky and acted irresponsibly. A woman died and he was convicted of murdering her. In this case the officer acted deliberately but still irresponsibly. A man died and he'll go on trial for it. If convicted I think that a sentence approaching the one Noor got would be fair. But certainly nothing higher.

Again,my attitude is substantially colored by this autopsy report.If the report had read "pressure applied to the neck clearly caused the demise of the deceased " I'd support 15...20...or even more.

Kneeling on his neck contributed to it. Sure, if he hadn't had the heart issue he wouldn't have died. But if they weren't kneeling on his neck he wouldn't have died either.

225 posted on 05/29/2020 4:14:37 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jacquej
Found in the article “Excited Delerium”. I am tending toward not blaming the officers.

Because physical force was being used at the moment of death, other medical factors don't absolve the police of responsibility.

Floyd died while the cop was kneeling on his neck, regardless of the actual cause. If he did indeed die from unrelated causes, then that's the officer's bad luck.

As another poster pointed out, shooting someone who has jumped from the Golden Gate bridge makes you a murderer, even if the ME rules that they died from the fall.

226 posted on 05/29/2020 4:14:52 PM PDT by Spirochete (GOP: Gutless Old Party)
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To: for-q-clinton

He left out the part that they prefer use on the shoulder blade, but regardless all maneuvers must stop and medical help must be rendered immediately if a suspect says they can’t breath or something is wrong.


227 posted on 05/29/2020 4:15:32 PM PDT by HollyB (Cv timeline)
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To: shelterguy
So you have your mind made up.

As have you.

Facts are stupid and should be ignored, right?

Facts are what I'm going on. You can rely on your opinion if you want.

You should try to get on jury duty, you would be good.

Pass, thanks.

228 posted on 05/29/2020 4:16:09 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Penelope Dreadful

You don’t care what that cop did to him? Whoa.
I’m glad I don’t know you. In fact this will be the last post to you.


229 posted on 05/29/2020 4:19:17 PM PDT by HollyB (Cv timeline)
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To: KobraKai
I tend to think that he wouldn’t have died had he not been drunk and committing crimes, prompting someone to call 911 on Floyd. Had this not occurred, George Floyd would probably still be alive.

All true. And had the officer not knelt on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes he probably would still be alive as well. But he did and now he's charged with murder.

That doesn’t mean he deserved a death squad, but what the police did to him is a separate issue.

But he is dead and the actions of the officer contributed to that.

230 posted on 05/29/2020 4:19:20 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: HollyB

Bye!


231 posted on 05/29/2020 4:20:15 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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To: Spirochete

I have no interest in debating you - so will drop the back and forth, as I suspect you have a fixed opinion. I don’t.


232 posted on 05/29/2020 4:21:13 PM PDT by jacquej ("You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: DoodleDawg

If you have all the facts then please tell us all what the toxicology report says. Thanks.


233 posted on 05/29/2020 4:21:33 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: patriotfury

Good explanation.

BTW, the length of time involved was eight minutes and 46 seconds.

Long enough to asphyxiate the victim.


234 posted on 05/29/2020 4:22:34 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: neverevergiveup

Thank you for the logic and knowledge.

Both are in short supply.

Don’t let the negative comments get you down!


235 posted on 05/29/2020 4:25:05 PM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: shelterguy
If you have all the facts then please tell us all what the toxicology report says. Thanks.

And what do you expect that to prove?

236 posted on 05/29/2020 4:25:39 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: PBRCat

The local DFL party in MN is completely different than when Hubert Humphrey was in the party. We should call it the DMA party Democratic Muslim Anarchist’s party, because no Farmer or labor union member would ever vote DFL/DMA. The mayor is anti police and go’s out of his way to denigrate the police force every day. This is all caused by the lack of Democratic leadership that refuses to understand there needs to be civic discipline for everyone. I live in a suburb nearby.


237 posted on 05/29/2020 4:31:15 PM PDT by yodalego
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To: ifinnegan
There is a medically well-recognized syndrome of sudden cardiac arrest. A common pattern is that someone who is young or middle-aged and apparently healthy has an unrecognized cardiac defect or disease that suddenly combines with illegal drug use to lethal effect. Cocaine and amphetamine are the most frequent culprits. This may be what the ME suspects.

I also think that uncertainty was causing a delay in filing charges. If an autopsy determines that George Floyd died not from asphyxiation but due to an unrecognized heart defect or disease and illegal drug use, then murder charges would not be wellfounded. Charges of illegal use of force would still be possible, with the line prosecutors wanting to add other charges if possible and waiting until the investigation was complete before filing anything.

With Minneapolis beginning to burn, the career prosecutors were probably told to file murder charges based on what they had and to let the courts sort it out later. As a matter of professionalism, career prosecutors hate that sort of thing because they end up looking like idiots in court and with their names on a losing court case when big ticket murder charges are dismissed.

238 posted on 05/29/2020 4:33:48 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: DoodleDawg

“””” If you have all the facts then please tell us all what the toxicology report says. Thanks.

And what do you expect that to prove? “”””””””””

Maybe he was hopped up on fentanyl. Or maybe not.

I know that getting all the facts is unheard of to you but I will wait and find out. I will let you know how it goes.


239 posted on 05/29/2020 4:34:27 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: DesertRhino

His training officer did not testify against him until compelled to in court, they mysteriously had their body cameras off and the brass tried to protect the shooter. There have also been other use-of-force lawsuits where MPD was caught destroying evidence.

Sorry, I don’t trust this city at all. Have an impartial ME from another state examine the body.


240 posted on 05/29/2020 4:34:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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