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Trump and supporters proved correct.

It was a hoax to impact elections.

1 posted on 05/25/2020 4:15:28 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

3% is still 3x more than the average flu death rate of 1%.

I’m willing to bet this ends up closer to 2% when the final tallies are made.

Assuming we actually get the truth out of this. This was absolutely a manufactured crisis.


2 posted on 05/25/2020 4:18:46 PM PDT by Skywise
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Geez a CDC estimate
What next. Not the flu not a hoax


4 posted on 05/25/2020 4:21:41 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!at)
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F@#$ Fauci and his “ten times the mortality rate of the flu” horsecrap. I knew from the start that he was a liar.


5 posted on 05/25/2020 4:22:55 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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Of f’n course it has a low death rate. Plandemic.


9 posted on 05/25/2020 4:28:49 PM PDT by rusty millet
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Is that today's "best estimate",

last week's "best estimate" or

next week's "best estimate"?

11 posted on 05/25/2020 4:31:54 PM PDT by skimbell
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The true rate will eventually be determined as 0.03%.

The divisor is FAR higher than current testing rates indicate.


12 posted on 05/25/2020 4:33:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have guessed the Communist Revolution would arrive disguised as the common cold?)
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0.3%...and 90% of them were either over 80 or were residents of a long term care home.


13 posted on 05/25/2020 4:33:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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Quick. Put more COVID patients in nursing homes! We need to up the death count immediately to make Trump look bad.


15 posted on 05/25/2020 4:36:54 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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Biggest hoax ever. Never give them an inch of your freedoms again or they will take a miles worth. Lesson learned.


16 posted on 05/25/2020 4:39:26 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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This CDC post is refuted by the article which the CDC cites as the basis for their “scenarios”.
The CDC scenarios cite only one source for the mortality rate
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20050138v1.full.pdf
And this source says the mortality rate is 2%
Line 47 of the source-
“Pooled probability of COVID-19-related death was 0.02 (95% 45CI: 0.02, 0.03). “
Thus, the only source for the “scenarios”, which is based on a summary of dozens of articles, one of which summarizes the data on more than 58,000 Covid cases, states that the mortality rate is 2%.

Re: John Ioannidis preprint study

Dishonest research is the nail in the coffin for Ioannidis.
He cites a serological study of the Netherlands.
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-25862/v1
It finds a seroprevalence of 2.7%, in other words 2.7% of the population is infected with Covid19. There are 17 million people in the Netherlands.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/netherlands-population/
Therefore the study suggests that 459,000 people in the Netherlands were infected. The date of the study was April 30th. Ioannidis states that only 344 people have died of Covid in the Netherlands, referencing the date of 4/15. However it is now May 21st and 5,775 Covid deaths have occurred in the Netherlands. 5775 / 459000 = 1.2%. He is ignoring the fact that when you get Covid, you don’t die ON THE SAME DAY YOU ARE INFECTED. You fight and fight for about 2-3 weeks and then you die. Truly a monstrous distortion. My disgust for the Ioannidis scum is hard to describe.
He also suggests the in NYC the “marginalized” are the ones dying. No one in America is “marginalized” any more than in any other country. There are “marginalized” people in West Virginia. A scientific paper should not be using racially charged political terms like this. As a scientific paper this is a piece of horse manure.
He suggest there is a “more aggressive viral clade” or strain of the virus in NYC! Oh sure! See, there is the fun and harmless Covid which has the low fatality rate, and then there is another one in NYC, which is the only one that can kill people.
RIGHT, UH HUH,
STFU John Ioannidis.


17 posted on 05/25/2020 4:41:52 PM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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"Massive deaths of elderly individuals in nursing homes, nosocomial infections [contracted in hospitals], and overwhelmed hospitals may…explain the very high fatality seen in specific locations in Northern Italy and in New York and New Jersey," Ioannidis says. "A very unfortunate decision of the governors in New York and New Jersey was to have COVID-19 patients sent to nursing homes"

Gericide by any other name would smell as evil.

18 posted on 05/25/2020 4:42:29 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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"Massive deaths of elderly individuals in nursing homes, nosocomial infections [contracted in hospitals], and overwhelmed hospitals may…explain the very high fatality seen in specific locations in Northern Italy and in New York and New Jersey," Ioannidis says. "A very unfortunate decision of the governors in New York and New Jersey was to have COVID-19 patients sent to nursing homes"

Gericide by any other name would smell as evil.

20 posted on 05/25/2020 4:43:01 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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Flu Season That’s Sickened 26 Million May Be at Its Peak

Feb. 21, 2020, at 9:00 a.m.

The percentage of deaths attributed to flu and pneumonia currently is 6.8%, which is below the epidemic threshold of 7.3% , according to the CDC.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-02-21/flu-season-thats-sickened-26-million-may-be-at-its-peak


21 posted on 05/25/2020 4:49:35 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We failed the single biggest test of our resolve. It's illegal to protest our government in public.)
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Let's see.

This disease is 3 to 4 times more deadly than the seasonal flu.

By most accounts it's significantly more contagious.

Unlike the flu we don't have effective treatment drugs.

Unlike the flu we don't have a vaccine.

Given this I don't see how what we did was an overreaction.

22 posted on 05/25/2020 4:51:15 PM PDT by semimojo
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L8r


25 posted on 05/25/2020 4:54:47 PM PDT by preacher ( Journalism no longer reports news, they use news to shape our society.)
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They had to MURDER elderly people to inflate the death number...will ANYONE pay the penalty for this?


26 posted on 05/25/2020 4:56:00 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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So if you are under 50, the fatality rate is 1/2 ... 1/2 .. the overall case fatality rate of the flu.

It assumes an overall symptomatic case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.4 percent, roughly four times the estimated CFR for the seasonal flu. The CDC estimates that the CFR for COVID-19 falls to 0.05 percent among people younger than 50 and rises to 1.3 percent among people 65 and older. For people in the middle (ages 50–64), the estimated CFR is 0.2 percent.

Did I just read that right? Under 50 fatality rate is ONE HALF the overall CFR of flu? Now I get that's worse than the flu-for-under-50. But holy SHITE!

28 posted on 05/25/2020 5:07:58 PM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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I don’t know about the rest of y’all but I think models are a bunch of crap. Starting with the ‘global warming’ models, all the models, including likely this one are wrong.

The world’s reaction to the CCPvirus would have been very different if the models had been right.

Models are correct only after whatever they were modeling has past and adjustments have been made to the models based on actual results, a little of which we’re seeing here. This whole episode has been a farce.


30 posted on 05/25/2020 5:12:05 PM PDT by upchuck (Windows 10 is just a fancy spying machine with troublesome, mandatory updates.)
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Trump and supporters proved correct.

Some of us, anyway. That excludes the Fearpers here.

35 posted on 05/25/2020 5:31:46 PM PDT by Kazan
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Yep.


36 posted on 05/25/2020 5:33:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyrants don't just give you your freedoms back. You have to take them.)
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