Posted on 05/23/2020 8:18:42 PM PDT by lightman
In a recent op-ed, Steve Pandelidis advocated for the so-called “herd immunity” approach to the coronavirus pandemic. His piece was very poorly timed as he cited Sweden as a success story. He should know that Sweden followed his “herd immunity” approach and had the most COVID-19 deaths per capita in Europe last week. He should also know that Sweden's case fatality rate is far higher than most other countries.
Dr. Pandelidis is not an expert on viruses or pandemics....
Dr. Pandelidis lives the life of a very privileged person. He fails to acknowledge that an uncontrolled coronavirus in relatively rural York County (resulting from going to green too quickly) may very lead to many more cases and deaths...
In his op ed, Dr. Pandelidis also leans heavily on a fallacy. He wrongly implies that, because precautions worked, that means precautions weren't necessary....
York County just went to yellow. If, by the end of June or July, the number of cases and deaths are lower than they are now, great, he was sort of right..
(Excerpt) Read more at ydr.com ...
The CDC did no such thing. What they did was publish a pandemic planning scenario, which a lot of scientifically illiterate bloggers have jumped on as evidence that Covid-19 is less deadly than the actual numbers show. I think they made a mistake publishing that scenario, since it so immediately was misinterpreted and misused to spread a false and dangerous narrative.
For 50% of people that get this it is it even a cold, they are asymptomatic For most of the rest of people not is the sniffles.
For most people who get this, the symptoms are mild. But it is fatal for enough people to make it a truly concerning virus. Most people who get it are not, in fact, asymptomatic; while the narrative that some ridiculously high number of people have already had Covid-19 in contradiction to everything known about the dynamics and mechanics of infectious disease transmission is incredibly popular, it is not based on evidence. The evidence is that MAYBE 25% of those who test positive never develop recognized symptoms. This does not mean they do not develop symptoms, only that they may have atypical symptoms that they dismiss since they aren't cold or flu symptoms. And those who are asymptomatic when tested are a minority of patients, 8% in one Chinese study.
This virus is here to stay it is in the community and there is no eradicating it. it will become endemic like all the other viral illnesses we live with. Airs time to get in with life.
There is no evidence that we have reached that point. We are still in the window where public health measures can contain it. My big fear is that enough people buy into the false narratives that they completely undermine public health efforts to eradicate it, and it *does* end up endemic in the population. If it reaches that point, then we can never go back to life as normal.
You are wrong ion all fronts. I don’t even want to know how you think we can contain this when all the draconian measures to date have not done that. Even Chin welding people into their apartments to starve to death couldn’t do it. By all means hide in your basement to avoid something no more deadly than the seasonal flu. Just leave the rest of us alone
So you're so ill-informed you haven't heard that they're counting EVERY death of anybody who tests CCP-positive as a CCP-death even if they died because they got hit by a bus?
It’s an “Election Year Virus”, aka a “Political Virus”.
.....80,000 Americans died of the flu the winter of 2018.....
Most of us got vaccinated (herd immunity!), stayed healthy, and didn’t even notice!!!!
The Shia LaBeouf flag hunt was harmless and hilarious.
But that New Zealand mosque massacre was pure cold blooded evil. I saw the video, and it is difficult to believe that anyone not psychotic or demon possessed could kill defenseless people like that. But then ISIS and Nazism managed to do it as a group project so there’s that. Probably the spookiest video I’ve ever seen, and weirdly quiet.
“We didn’t shut down the world then. Why now?”
There’s herd immunity with influenzas because some strain has gone around every year from time immemorial. And we have vaccines to help break the chain of transmission.
There was close to zero herd immunity when Covid-19 struck because the only other known SARS outbreak was the one in 2003. That SARS outbreak killed over 8% of confirmed cases. That’s all the data that CDC had to work with.
Sweden and Los Angeles have roughly the same size population. Sweden has slightly under 4,000 deaths, Los Angeles slightly over 2,000.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Johns Hopkins is reporting 5,380,774 confirmed cases, 343,880 deaths as of today. About 6% ?
First of all world wide statistics are notoriously inaccurate. Garbage in garbage out. There is a huge error in calculating anything that way as only symptomatic people are tested in most instances and 50% of people or more as asymptomatic with over &0% having mild symptoms that would. it necessarily seem care. the last statistics I saw estimate the death rate at less than 0.5% and there was a headline today the CDC admits it. like be around 0.26 percent.
Where did you do your post-doc in immunology, perfesser?
“Where did you do your post-doc in immunology, perfesser”
Is that supposed to be logic?
I spend time reading NIH papers. You should try it sometime, maybe you’ll learn something.
Ok, so what data source do you want to work with? Just name it so we can see.
“there have been 5407414 cases and 344,025 deaths worldwide.”
That’s so CUTE! You believe the numbers and data on deaths “they” are providing. Precious.
So your opinion just an opinion.
“So your opinion just an opinion.”
It’s the opinion of the researchers who submit NIH papers. I read their papers and learn from them. But please feel free to continue with your ‘just say what sounds good’ method of knowledge, I hear it’s wildly popular.
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
Study: A majority of the population may have 'some degree' of preexisting immunity to COVID-19
These buttholes are really, really stupid. And they demand we be more stupid.
Their paper warns that they don’t know if this immunity response actually works on Covid and that they are speculating:
“Whether this immunity is relevant in influencing clinical outcomes is unknown—and cannot be known without T cell measurements before and after SARS- CoV-2 infection of individuals—but it is tempting to speculate that the crossreactive CD4+ T cells may be of value in protective immunity,” they write.
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