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Why Is the Stock Market Rallying When the Economy Is So Bad?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 05/09/2020 | Gunjan Banerji

Posted on 05/09/2020 11:23:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Mr Ramsbotham; PTBAA

There can be no doubt that inflation is coming.

Inflation will devalue the existing $22 trillion debt. The new debt is at 0 interest. Devaluing the old debt means the interest in old $$ has less effect on the budget and economy.

Every prince tutored to be king learns the way to get rid of bothersome debt is to devalue the currency. The technique is as old Midas

Regarding the market....... the inflation increases the value of many stocks. To protect against inflation, stocks are a good investment.

If you live outside the USA, American blue chip stocks could look very good for parking some $$$


41 posted on 05/09/2020 12:18:38 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Alberta's Child
I’m not sure that’s right. Stock market futures were in a free-fall late on Election Night as it became more obvious that Trump was going to win.

Markets don’t like uncertainty. When the election was shifting from an expected Hillary win to Trump, the markets reacted negatively to the possibilities of an uncertain outcome... hanging chad time?! They quieted down again quickly when it became clear Trump had won it outright.

42 posted on 05/09/2020 12:18:47 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think its a simply that there is literally no where else for money to go - and there’s a ton of money (and new money) chasing them.

Even the best bonds (Treasuries) are nearly 0% interest. Foreign markets are too risky. The dollar is strong and getting stronger. Some companies are doing quite well. Particularly tech companies - the trends set in place by coronavirus lockdowns will actually benefit many of them. I believe that’s why NASDAQ especially is leading them all.

Its perverse, but its the world our government and Federal Reserve have created for us.


43 posted on 05/09/2020 12:23:44 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SamAdams76
We might be consuming in different ways but are we consuming any less? The answer is clearly NO.

Are we producing less? Clearly YES.

44 posted on 05/09/2020 12:25:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: SeekAndFind

Duh, the economies of the rest of the world are far worse! The U.S. economy may be in the toilet, but the rest of the world is already flushed. It’s a no-brainer.


45 posted on 05/09/2020 12:29:51 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

All that helicopter money has to go somewhere.

Stocks (companies) will at least not blow whatever cash windfall they can scrape up from their spendthrift consumers.

So, where is the excess cash gonna go? Something HAS to inflate. Answer: Stocks.


46 posted on 05/09/2020 12:31:13 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (BOYCOTT CHINA! - spread the word .... (China is the Sick Man of Asia with a very small penis))
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To: SeekAndFind

The Spanish flu came in three waves.


47 posted on 05/09/2020 12:33:07 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: aquila48

Wall street Journal, US news & World report, New Zork Times, Scientific American, National geographic, etc. all fallen institutions.


48 posted on 05/09/2020 12:35:56 PM PDT by Cold Heart (.)
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To: G Larry

The answer is that people who understand the causes of past recessions see this induced recession as different. The normal reason for an economic contraction are because the Federal Reserve tightens credit and the money supply which reduces liquidity. Businesses can’t easily borrow to expand and they lay people off to reduce operating costs.

The Great Depression was caused by the failure of banks who had invested in the Stock Market on margin and were unable to meet their margin calls. The Fed stupidly tightened credit and reserves to prevent the banks from selling their gold reserves to remain solvent and the economy was strangled for years.

The financial crisis in 2008 was another failure of banks that caused businesses to pull back on borrowing and reduce expansion plans.

The unemployment of today was induced by the stay-at-home orders that had nothing to do with market liquidity. The Fed has gone all in on maintaining liquidity to solvent businesses who should recover quickly once people are able to get back to normal and forget their fear. Investors know the old rule “The Fed is your friend”.


49 posted on 05/09/2020 12:36:25 PM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: SeekAndFind

There are still a lot of people employed, and those people have 401ks. Every two weeks, a pile of money shows up on broker’s desks in Wall Street firms, demanding to be invested. So they buy stocks. Nothing can keep the stock market down for long except total unemployment, and we don’t have that.


50 posted on 05/09/2020 12:36:30 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

One reason must surely be that the Fed has forced interest rates on bonds and cash down below zero after inflation. Savers are getting punished.


51 posted on 05/09/2020 12:37:35 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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To: pgyanke; DoughtyOne

After Election Day in 2016, Wall Street figured out pretty quickly that Donald Trump wasn’t going to be anywhere near as disruptive as advertised. Heck — he even hired a Goldman Sachs Democrat as his Treasury Secretary.


52 posted on 05/09/2020 12:40:24 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: SeekAndFind

It is not an economy caused recession. It’s a government mandated shut down.


53 posted on 05/09/2020 12:42:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Sacajaweau

God’s blessing on America lives in the WH but many AMericans don’t realize it.


54 posted on 05/09/2020 12:48:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (Boycott China or be destroyed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My guess is Investor delusion. I watch Fox Business and I like guest (Allianz chief economic adviser) Mohamed El-Erian’s takes. Basically the jobs issue is much worst than the already bad picture we are seeing. He is of the “W” shaped recovery opinion.

W shaped recovery:

KEY TAKEAWAYS

A W-shaped recovery is when an economy passes through a recession into recovery and then immediately turns down into another recession.

When charted, major economic performance indicators form the shape of a letter “W” during a W-shaped recession.
W-shaped recessions can be particularly painful because the brief recovery that occurs can trick investors into getting back in too early.

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The two major investment accounts that myself and the wife have are back to 96% and 92% of the Feb. 2020 highs. I believe we still have another 1,000 plus ride higher in the DOW at which point the euphoria will wane as the economic impact / realization millions of jobs will never come back kicks in = extended recession. I’ll be taking our accounts from 30% to at least 50% cash soon. We don’t need growth at this point, so we can afford to be wrong on the upside.


55 posted on 05/09/2020 12:48:16 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DoughtyOne

The day before Trump won in November of 2016, the market
made a huge move up.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You sure about that?


56 posted on 05/09/2020 12:50:43 PM PDT by thinden
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To: SeekAndFind

Because it dropped way too far way too fast. DOW shedding 11,000 points in just a couple of weeks was a hysterical overreaction. DOW is where it probably should have gotten to at the beginning of this government-created shitstorm.


57 posted on 05/09/2020 12:50:56 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
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To: cp124
20 million unemployed spending Uncle Sugar bucks which will lead to $1=$.01

Well, we're already at $1 (1913) = $.01 (2020).
58 posted on 05/09/2020 12:54:34 PM PDT by Colinsky
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To: Socon-Econ

“Savers are getting punished”

It’s been that way since the 2008 crash. I know of a few restaurants that catered to an older crowd that shut their doors after 40 -50 years because here clientele got killed with their fixed income investment vehicles. Interest rates dried up so did there discretionary income.


59 posted on 05/09/2020 12:55:11 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: SeekAndFind
“People are making the bets….that this is the bottom,” said R.J. Grant, director of equity trading at KBW. Still, he said, “The market is really divorced from economic reality right now.”

This man is telling the truth beyond's peoples' imaginations.

60 posted on 05/09/2020 1:05:00 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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