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Is evidence rising that Britain's lockdown could be a deadly mistake? Exactly how many REAL Covid-19 deaths were there?
The Telegraph ^ | 05/06/2020 | Sherelle Jacobs

Posted on 05/06/2020 8:56:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

So concludes another surreal week of watching a government-by-focus-group pretend to “follow the science”. In particular, the Government overlooked two vital pieces of evidence that raise frightening questions about the impact of its draconian lockdown strategy – and whether lockdown was ever even necessary.

First is the latest ONS data, which suggests that lockdown could be killing people insofar as people who are suffering from non-Covid diseases and conditions may not be seeking help. Figures for Week 16 (up to April 17) showed 11,854 excess deaths in Week 16 (compared with the five year average) – but just 8,758 were Covid-related. Are these other 3,096 non-Covid excess deaths anything to do with the fact that urgent referrals by GPs for cancer tests, and chemotherapy appointments have plummeted? Could it be that thousands of seriously ill people are not seeking treatment because they are following the Government's petrifying instructions to Stay At Home to deadly effect?

The figures also show that out of 7,316 deaths in care homes up to Week 16, just 2,050 were Covid-related. HC One, the UK's biggest care home provider, has revealed that while the death rate among its 17,500 residents is around three times that of last year, just half of these additional deaths are directly linked to Covid-19. What is going on? It is quite right that stamping out coronavirus in care homes should be top priority. But a twin investigation into the non-Covid deaths ripping through care homes should also be launched as a matter of urgency.

Not least because, the proportion of non-Covid excess deaths could be even higher; it is worth remembering that Covid-related deaths include people who die with Covid, as well as people who die of it,

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: covid19; deathrate; lockdown

and some deaths are being registered as coronavirus-related when the presence of Covid-19 is suspected rather than proven via a test.


1 posted on 05/06/2020 8:56:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Some may counter that, lockdown or no lockdown, coronavirus was always going to swallow up NHS resources at the cost of non-Covid patients. But given the growing concern among GPs and hospital doctors about“missing” non-Covid-19 patients, one cannot help but wonder whether the scale of lockdown and its relentless Stay At Home messaging has had a detrimental impact on patient attitudes.

The second major development that the Government failed to act on this week was the international community’s belated realisation that Sweden’s strategy may be working.

The penny has finally dropped at the WHO, which on Wednesday hailed Sweden as the “model” for “the new normal”. Its top emergencies expert, Dr Mike Ryan said: “What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate… In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.”


2 posted on 05/06/2020 8:56:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d also make sure none of those nursing home deaths were homicide.


3 posted on 05/06/2020 8:58:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a huge effort to discount Sweden’s approach. To admit it worked is to admit a massive and costly mistake.
Trump is among those who will never admit it. I don’t blame him though. The MSM/DNC made damn sure the shutdown happened.
Trump was in vice.


4 posted on 05/06/2020 9:03:38 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course Sweden’s policy is working. For the most part it’s been an effective model throughout the world for thousands of years.


5 posted on 05/06/2020 9:03:46 AM PDT by Navin Johnson
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To: SeekAndFind

Black Agnes found something that is missing in all this talk of Sweden....and it’s their genetics

https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/viruses101/hiv_resistant_mutation/

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A genetic mutation known as CCR5-delta 32 is responsible for the two types of HIV resistance that exist. CCR5-delta 32 hampers HIV’s ability to infiltrate immune cells. The mutation causes the CCR5 co-receptor on the outside of cells to develop smaller than usual and no longer sit outside of the cell. CCR5 co-receptor is like door that allows HIV entrance into the cell. The CCR5-delta 32 mutation in a sense locks “the door” which prevents HIV from entering into the cell. 1% of people descended from Northern Europeans, particularly Swedes, are immune to HIV infection.


6 posted on 05/06/2020 9:03:47 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: gibsonguy

Exactly. Once Trump put his faith in Mike Pence, Fauci and the Scarf Queen were on board and that’s all it took for this whole farce to begin. He trusted the wrong people and it’s not the first time... Sessions was bad hire #1


7 posted on 05/06/2020 9:05:45 AM PDT by Navin Johnson
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To: RummyChick

Previous studies have suggested that the CCR5-delta mutation was enriched in people of European descent and then passed down by the survivors of the Black Death which swept Europe in the 14th century killing up to a third of its population. It confers a survival advantage to those infected with HIV because HIV uses the CCR5 receptor to enter immune cells, explains Sherman.

https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/genetic-relic-of-the-black-death-may-offer-clues-in-treating-liver-disease/


8 posted on 05/06/2020 9:06:42 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: gibsonguy

There is a huge effort to discount Sweden’s approach. To admit it worked is to admit a massive and costly mistake.
Trump is among those who will never admit it. I don’t blame him though. The MSM/DNC made damn sure the shutdown happened.
Trump was in vice.
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My thinking on this pretty much reflects your thoughts. Trump is playing this as well as he could. There’s a combination “chess/poker tournament” going on with very high stakes—the future of our Republic.


9 posted on 05/06/2020 9:15:20 AM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS CERTAINLY A PRETEXT)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
"Is evidence rising that Britain's lockdown could be a deadly mistake? Exactly how many REAL Covid-19 deaths were there?"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

History is being rewritten, possibly to discredit PDJT’s early decision for a national lockdown!

Like the rest of Europe, especially Italy and evidently Gallup NM, UK gave up its option for an effective early lockdown by initially deciding to fight the spread of SARS-CoV-2 with cost-effective(?), “it can’t happen here," herd immunity.

Insights welcome.

Send "Orange Man Bad" federal and state government Democrats and RINOs home in November!

Supporting PDJT with a new patriot Congress and state government leaders that will promise to fully support his already excellent work for MAGA and stopping SARS-CoV-2 will effectively give fast-working Trump a third term in office imo.

10 posted on 05/06/2020 9:41:40 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Navin Johnson

It is easier for the government to kill people than admit they made a mistake.


11 posted on 05/06/2020 9:51:03 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The real virus is the MSM)
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To: gibsonguy

“Trump was in vice.”

Yes, I agree that he played it as well as it could have been played.


12 posted on 05/06/2020 10:11:16 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am confused. I thought the UK was originally not under a lock down. This let the virus spread like crazy (Northern Italy style). Thus, the lock down that was imposed was a little to late.

So why blame the lock down?


13 posted on 05/06/2020 10:18:15 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: House Atreides
I agree that between the MSM, political enemies and the panic of the masses President Trump had to go with the flow. Once in lock down I think he has done an excellent job of (1) providing positive leadership, (2) getting assets to the states/cities in need and (3) defining this as a states (as in states rights) run operation.

The MSM/political enemies were waiting for him to be the decision makers so if some stubbed their toe or died of anything they would hang it on President Trump. Instead they have to focus on 50 governors.

And guess what. . . the Republican led states are moving back to normal and while the MSM can take pot shots at these governors the citizens could care less. They want their freedom.

Meanwhile in blue states (CA, NY, MI, WI) the governors to be praised by the MSM for staying with the lock down are being exposed as tin bit dictators. The people are revolting and in a just world they will remember come November.

Folks, good times are coming back. We can go back to our normal lives but for many this is the first Civics lessons they have had in their lives. I think they are learning a lot about how government should and should not work. Just my 2¢.

14 posted on 05/06/2020 10:21:55 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport) Don't leave home without it.)
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To: Navin Johnson

Of course Sweden’s policy is working. For the most part it’s been an effective model throughout the world for thousands of years.
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As time passes, it gets progressively harder for the fearful to continue claiming that disaster for Sweden is just around the corner. If the skeptics were right, the Swedes would have had tent cities filled with people dying from the virus.


15 posted on 05/06/2020 11:33:01 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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