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Surgeon General Doubles Down: Masks Increase Virus Risk
Newsmax ^ | Tuesday, 31 March 2020 | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 05/02/2020 5:09:51 PM PDT by LoveMyFreedom

Surgeon General Jerome Adams Tuesday doubled down on his advice against healthy people wearing face masks to protect themselves from coronavirus, saying that wearing one improperly can "actually increase your risk" of getting the disease.

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To: cba123

Oh by the way, Vietnam does not use change.

Only bills.


81 posted on 05/02/2020 7:40:05 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
They don't do a great job of keeping the virus out -- but, they do do a great job of keeping it in. Civic-minded people wear them to protect others.

I agree that it helps to deter spreading, however, using the likes of Taiwan in comparison to the USA is rather faulty, as there are other factors to explain this, and the vast majority of deaths in the US are in NYC where mask wearing is the law, and it is very prevalent in my city, which has the most deaths in the state.

82 posted on 05/02/2020 7:42:15 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: freeandfreezing; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I've always been fascinated with the amount of information one can derived from numbers/data. Even back as far as my college freshman years I recognized most people haven't a clue how much valuable information is left untouched after some study or evaluation of some process, etc. One thing about data, if you have enough, is how well averaging what you have will give you very accurate numbers in the end.

Those simple sets of numbers USFRIENDINVICTORIA came up with speak for themselves. True, other factors come into play, but no other factor will prove to be more important than what those numbers indicate. Because the mere fact of a population which is wise enough to wear masks during a viral outbreak will also implement any additional measures necessary. So this simple metric becomes self fulfilling and one which can reliably be counted own to produce similar results when applied by other countries or entities.

The beauty here is in the metrics' simplicity of complexity.

USA (little mask-wearing) Deaths/million = 204
Taiwan (mask-wearing) Deaths/million = 0.3
S.Korea (mask-wearing) Deaths/million = 5.0
Japan (mask-wearing) Deaths/million = 4.0

Fascinating...

83 posted on 05/02/2020 7:44:07 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: \/\/ayne
My understanding is that the mask is not to prevent the wearer from getting the virus but to prevent giving it.

You are correct.

84 posted on 05/02/2020 7:44:20 PM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: \/\/ayne
My understanding is that the mask is not to prevent the wearer from getting the virus but to prevent giving it.

You are correct.

85 posted on 05/02/2020 7:44:46 PM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: Jeff Chandler

wearing one improperly can “actually increase your risk” of getting the disease.
Is he an idiot?>>> Surgical masks and homemade masks protect the other person not the wearer of the mask. A p/n95 can protect the wearer but the seal around your mouth/nose must be complete. a 3m 6001 shop mask or something similar must seal your nose and mouth and would offer more protection to the wearer.


86 posted on 05/02/2020 7:56:10 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: bunkerhill7

“so nurses are really stupoid according to SG BS.”

What a stupoid Comment.


87 posted on 05/02/2020 8:01:19 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: LoveMyFreedom

The real and unstated purposes of “mandatory masking”:

1) Dog-whistle obedience training. Easy to see who is “compliant” and who needs “re-education”

2) Darn near impossible to wear a mask with a runny nose...so it will force the sick to STAY HOME (which they ought to do anyway, but without government orders)


88 posted on 05/02/2020 8:01:22 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: cba123
Vietnam (mask wearing), literally one country away from China, where the breakout started. Everyone here has worn a mask, for three months now. They have been legally required now for everyone in public, for two entire months. Deaths/million = zero. The country is now opening back up.

And just 270 cases and no deaths? Well, if you can use Vietnam as an argument for the effectiveness of masks then you must also consider other factors. One of which is that the median age in Vietnam is 32.5 years. But you must also disallow other factors, such as perhaps some acquired immunity. Or maybe it's the fish soup. Or survival of the fittest from the war. Since according to this report from one living there the sanitary practices were not very good.

89 posted on 05/02/2020 8:08:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Maudeen

It is asinine to require that people wear masks, mostly because you can’t find masks or gloves at any store anywhere. Someone I know had to mail order a few packs from Office Depot. She got two packs with 5 masks in each pack for a total of $65. Who can afford that?


90 posted on 05/02/2020 8:14:07 PM PDT by DrPretorius
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Making your own mask? Researchers say some fabrics can filter nearly as well as an N95.

A new study from researchers at the University of Chicago says that a combination of cotton with silk, chiffon, or flannel can create a well-functioning filter.

“We found that many common fabrics can be surprisingly good at filtering particles,” said Supratik Guha, a University of Chicago professor and author of the study, which was published Friday in the journal Nano.

However,...If your mask leaks around the edges, unlike the tightly fitted N95, your homemade filter will lose its effectiveness.

Tighter-woven cotton alone was found to be effective, particularly two layers of 600 thread-per-inch cotton. So was a cotton quilt made of two 120 thread-per-inch cotton sheets, with a 0.5-centimeter batting of cotton, polyester and other fibers. Four layers of silk — imagine someone bundled up in a scarf — also performed well.

But the best overall filtration was provided by a sandwich consisting of one layer of the tighter-woven cotton plus two layers of silk, or two layers of chiffon, or one layer of flannel — because of the electrostatic filter created by the non-cotton layers.

- https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/30/metro/making-your-own-mask-researchers-say-some-fabrics-can-filter-nearly-well-an-n95/?p1=Article_Feed_ContentQuery


91 posted on 05/02/2020 8:14:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: LoveMyFreedom

Moron. We certainly could make more n95 masks for the public. We could have better compliance because these masks help the wearer as well as others.
They could be reused because they are sturdier. Leave them out in sunlight for a day or 2 to decontaminate.


92 posted on 05/02/2020 8:15:22 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: lightman

It is not your fault, but this entire thread failed to mention one critical benefit of wearing masks—reducing the viral load if one gets the virus.

A lower viral load gives everyone a better chance of minor symptoms rather than major symptoms from the virus, since it gives the immune system time to fight it.

The perfect is the enemy of the good—and masks are a reasonable approach for reasonable people.


93 posted on 05/02/2020 8:21:19 PM PDT by cgbg (New poll: post elderly voters like Biden's experience as Wilson's VP fighting the Spanish Flu.)
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To: daniel1212

Actually of those 270 cases, I believe 50 are foreigners, who were here when found to be infected.

I believe they were older.

But you are right, that could be a contributing factor.

I believe Hydroxychloroquine may also be a contributing factor.

Not certain of that, though.


94 posted on 05/02/2020 8:22:51 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Pollster1

What happens when those droplets start to evaporate?
What happens when people use the same mask over and over again?


95 posted on 05/02/2020 8:23:12 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Nifster

What is the logic you used to assess him correct?


96 posted on 05/02/2020 8:30:46 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: IndispensableDestiny

0.3 microns = 300 nanometers. Size of COVID = 200 nanometers?


97 posted on 05/02/2020 8:31:57 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: LoveMyFreedom

Yeah, if worn “improperly,” the wearer runs a greater risk of infection. Too bad for the morons and slobs. Most kids can learn to wear one properly if properly taught.


98 posted on 05/02/2020 8:34:56 PM PDT by familyop (Hell hath no fury like a scorned parrot.)
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To: LoveMyFreedom

At least the mouth breathers wearing the masks improperly aren’t blowing the virus as far. ;)


99 posted on 05/02/2020 8:36:03 PM PDT by familyop (Hell hath no fury like a scorned parrot.)
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To: Western Phil
0.3 microns = 300 nanometers. Size of COVID = 200 nanometers?

0.3 microns, 300 nm, is the most challenging to remove (more or less). That's why NIOSH test standards are at that size. You can Google for the technical explanation.

100 posted on 05/02/2020 8:44:53 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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