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How high will it go? As Covid-19 death toll in U.S. blows past 60,000, there are no easy answers
STAT ^ | April 30, 2020 | SHARON BEGLEY and HYACINTH EMPINADO

Posted on 05/02/2020 10:13:10 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

When STAT first compared projected U.S. deaths from Covid-19, in early April, there seemed to be a glimmer of good news: A prominent model had just lowered its estimate for total deaths through Aug. 4 from about 100,000 to 60,000, reflecting the apparent success of three weeks of social distancing across much of the country.

On Wednesday, April 29, the country blew past 60,000, more than three months before the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projected. (The 60,000 almost certainly undercounts Covid-19 deaths, by about 9,000.) IHME, whose model has been criticized by many epidemiologists, now says the most likely death toll on Aug. 4 will be 72,433, though it could be as low as about 60,000 (obviously impossible) and as high as 115,000.

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To: InterceptPoint

Of course if you look at the state data individually a significant number are confirmed and counted in the daily number thst occurred weeks ago
Or presumptive cases being added. Wikipedia and worldodometer atr not anywhere near 24 hour rates

But hey. Gotta keep the narrative.


41 posted on 05/02/2020 10:47:07 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Blows past? Really? 60,000 out of 382.2 million. Not a bad number, IMO.


42 posted on 05/02/2020 10:47:11 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: RedStateRocker

If you just stay in your home you can be among the last to die.

Maybe starvation is better than the virus.


43 posted on 05/02/2020 10:48:30 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ("As government expands, liberty contracts." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: MrEdd

Exactly.

44 posted on 05/02/2020 10:49:22 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: canuck_conservative

by staying inside, people are destroying their immune systems. not to mention, they are inflating the death counts with “probable” instead of confirmed.


45 posted on 05/02/2020 10:51:27 AM PDT by bjcoop
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whenever it comes around, I’ll sign the “Thank You” card for the ChiComs and pass it on.


46 posted on 05/02/2020 10:52:37 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Skywise

One of the best kept secrets around is BHT short for butylated hydroxy toluene.

It has been around for the better part of thirty years or more, has been approved as a food additive by the FDA as safe for human consumption in small quantities and using common sense. Without going into all the details which would fill many pages some of the benefits are difficult to ignore even so pharmaceutical as well as the medical profession does their best to do so. As a prophylactic it would serve its purpose very well until the right vaccine comes along, without any undesirable side effects, besides being inexpensive and is safer than alcohol consumption, use of tobacco or many other unhealthy eating habits.

Some of the reasons are that that there is no money to be made by pharmaceutical companies as patents related to BHT ran out long time ago and in order to have it approved for medical application it would require an immeasurable amounts of human tests with expenditures in the millions of Dollars which most likely will never be recovered.

On the other hand many doctors may know about it but will refrain from suggesting it as recommending anything which is not approved by the FDA would leave them wide open to lawsuits, as it is pretty well known that one of the American dreams is, to fall on your neighbors property and then sue them for what ever they can get.

Over the years enough information about BHT has surfaced that if used in small quantities to achieve a particular result, such as from 100 mg to about 1g (one gram or 1000mg) and in most cases 250mg to 450mg may do a nice job for some of the things suggested, it may be less harmful than an equivalent amount of Aspirins. Again do your own research and use common sense which appears to be in short supply these days.

Even so, if you still apprehensive or hesitant use it only when one of those nasty viruses appears on the scene and use it as a prophylactic in a small quantity perhaps 200 mg and once the danger subside stop taking it. The catch is that in order to do its job BHT works better before you get sick, as BHT will NOT REPAIR ANY DAMAGE which may already have been done by an infectious disease such as the corona virus. Even so if taken afterwards BHT will still continue to disable lipid covered viruses, but to repair any damage already caused may require different medications.

So why to take BHT on the firs place? It has been long known that BHT will remove the lipid layer or cover from LIPID COVERED viruses and the coronavirus happens to be just such a virus and by doing so will prevent such a virus from attaching itself and do its dirty work.
The Principal Benefits of BHT

In order of importance, supplementing with BHT can help with:
Reduce and prevent viral infections such as herpes, thus terminating their outbreaks. Also BHT is effective against many different human and animal viruses including CMV (cytomegalovirus),9 pseudorabies,10 genital herpes,11HIV,12 and some strains of influenza.13 A few of the viruses that have a lipid envelope and may be treated by BHT include herpes simplex I, herpes simplex II, herpes zoster, CMV, West Nile virus, HIV virus, influenza virus, hepatitis B and C viruses, avian flu influenza virus and the SARS virus. However, BHT has not been clinically tested to treat these infections.

The CORONAVIRUS is also a lipid covered virus and BHT affects the lipid covering and in turn prevents the virus from attaching itself and do its damage. Now keep in mind that very few things in life are perfect and this holds true for vaccines as well. So when everything comes down to being cut and dried, do you prefer risking being infected with a nasty virus with all kinds of unpredictable side effects or take a chance with some substance which overall has a very good safety record.

Besides most viruses will mutate over time, and by the time someone may come up with the proper vaccine it may no longer match the virus which is currently making its round. But BHT doesn’t care if such a virus mutates or not. As long as such a virus has a lipid coating it will remove it AND DISABLE SUCH A VIRUS. And it is available at Amazon....make your own case. I have been using it off and on for over thirty years whenever some nasty viruses (lipid coated ones that is, not all of them are) were on the lose and so far it worked. Better than chewing my fingernails hoping not to catch a “BUG”


47 posted on 05/02/2020 10:53:04 AM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: Skywise

The last major pandemic the Spanish Flu 1917 to 1919 killed more than 65 million worldwide. In the United States over 600,000 died. The average yearly flu strains kill about 25,000 to 60,000 people in the USA. This virus is new and the population has almost no natural immunity, still it kills mainly the old and those in bad health. It appears many have it and don’t even notice they do. Life is a crapshoot and even with the medical advances in the last 100 years there still is a lot we don’t know.


48 posted on 05/02/2020 10:53:17 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

First of all, NY is not the proper measure. NYC might be, but NY dilutes the statistics.

Second of all, deaths from ALL CAUSES, worldwide, are far above historical norms for this time frame for each country.

Seeing fewer deaths of other causes because they are getting captured by Covid statistics doesn’t matter to the total death of All Causes measure.

Look, there is no way around this. Total deaths of ALL CAUSES are way up for every country of the world for these months. That’s because the virus is net additive.


49 posted on 05/02/2020 10:54:03 AM PDT by Owen
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To: MinorityRepublican

60,000! Oh, my!.....oh, wait... Let me see: 60,000 divided by 330,000,000 is... Almost Zero. It’s 0.00018 per capita, or 18 per 100,000.


50 posted on 05/02/2020 10:54:29 AM PDT by captain_dave
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To: bramps

I agree.

Billion$ for testing instead of down-the-hole Trillion$ for nuttin’.

Test everybody coming in for a Dr.’s appointment or haircut and the personal service providers 24 hr before service. Maybe a week after too.

Test all medical staff daily.

Test all the cashiers 2x/wk, unless they also get a virus negative and serum antibody positive test the same day.

Let the testing labs profits soar.


51 posted on 05/02/2020 10:57:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: saintgermaine

How is it identified? What name?


52 posted on 05/02/2020 10:57:41 AM PDT by gogeo (It isn't just time to open America up again: It's time to be America again.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’ll go as high as there are humans to infect. Mitigation only draws out the length of time, not the final number. Time to get back to living.


53 posted on 05/02/2020 11:01:55 AM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In most areas of the country, hospitals are empty. Medical personnel have been laid off and furloughed. This is not a pandemic. The death stats are being inflated by democrat governors who are also refusing to open their states.


54 posted on 05/02/2020 11:02:00 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Considering how a death from Covid19 is determined and recorded I don’t trust the numbers.


55 posted on 05/02/2020 11:03:36 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Ret 1sg
Are the 60000+death’s tested and cofirmed coved 19 as the cause?

Tests? Tests?! We don’t need no steenking tests, gringo! We have “experts”!

56 posted on 05/02/2020 11:06:10 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

By August 4 it would be close to 180k


57 posted on 05/02/2020 11:06:31 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Let’s see. We are averaging 30,000 new cases per day with 2,000 deaths. We will get over 100,000 dead by Memorial Day.

You can always hope.

Say!...let us know when you go.

We'll drop by your plot for a word.

58 posted on 05/02/2020 11:08:01 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: MinorityRepublican

Looking at the NYC bell curve:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

...it took about 7 weeks to ramp up and go down. It’s almost at zero now.

The problem using national stats is that we have different areas going through different dates for their bell curve. One area gets over the hump but gets ‘averaged out’ by another still ramping up, giving the impression that we’ll have a sustained rate.

Even looking at the national level, you can see we’ve hit the peak...so we have the ‘other half’ of the bell curve to go. A simple guess is to just double the death count from where you think the top was. For me it puts it at about 90K. I believe we’ll see numbers plummet over the next couple of weeks....no way we’re sustaining 30+K new cases and 2K deaths per day.


59 posted on 05/02/2020 11:08:11 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

That chart may be saying more than you intended.

Who did you think it was gong to kill?

Them, and then some.

That seems a reasonable interpretation, too.


60 posted on 05/02/2020 11:08:16 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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