Posted on 04/11/2020 11:55:44 AM PDT by george76
There has been speculation for weeks around the possibility that the COVID-19 virus hit the United States, and possibly Wyoming, weeks before previously thought, and many more people already have had it and don’t realize it, and those people are now immune. Right now this is just conjecture, but it is worth having the discussion.
Buckrail. posted an article on April 9th about a Jackson doctor who shares this belief and has been fairly outspoken about it. Every community seems to have their own local name for it, and in Jackson they call it "that awful JH crud" that was circulating back in December 2019 and in January. In Pinedale it is often called "the Pinedale crud." It included a terrible cough that just couldn’t be shaken and seemed to last for weeks, longer than usual. It was passed off as an upper respiratory infection. There was no test for it then.
Jackson Hole gets many international tourists, including many from China. Yellowstone National Park has three million visitors a year; Grand Teton Park over two million. All the park gateway communities, including Pinedale, see a fraction of those visitors each summer.
The implications, the article says, are crucial. It means this virus may have already started working its way through Wyoming weeks to months earlier than thought and there might already be some herd immunity to it in Wyoming. The answer won’t be known until there is a test for antibodies in the blood. So it is still very important to continue all the current directives for hand washing, social distancing, and keeping sick people away from vulnerable populations.
Right now this is just a theory, but it is definitely something to think about if you are one of the ones who got awfully sick in the November/December/January timeframe last fall and are still alive today to talk about it. Once tested for antibodies, if positive, those people could immediately go back to work and our economy could get moving a whole lot faster than what was earlier thought. The people who haven’t had it could continue to self-isolate by choice, rather than by state shut-down directive, until there is either a vaccine (which may take at least a year or more) or drugs that can minimize the impacts of the effects of getting the virus.
Had it in fla over christmas. Worse “flu” ever. Lasted 2 weeks. Whole family had it. Had to be covid. Was not like any bug evet before.
Vapers? Unknown pneumonia and lung issues?
Vaping appears to be making hundreds of people sick. Doctors have no idea why.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/9/3/20847219/vaping-health-risks-2019-lung-damage-death
There is a clear trend among those who want to believe that we are already at herd mentality so we can call off the lockdowns. They are looking back and every cold or sniffle or flu that they or anybody else had in the last year is now coronavirus.
Thanks for posting that article!
Actually clerks at a local supermarket here can do that in 3 days or less.
it’s herd immunity not herd mentality. Herd mentality is what the sheeple are displaying
When one of the Kennedys got shot and killed in Dallas in ‘63, most people who were alive then remembered seeing the event live on TV decades later. The event was never live on TV.
No. That was the date the first patient showed symptoms.
This disease does not follow the pattern of a virus that is generally circulating. It follows the pattern of an outbreak virus with a single point source.
I will, thanks. I tend to go for the scientific view, since this (the spread pattern of pandemic viruses) happens to be one of the areas I specialized in. And yep, I'll keep parroting the scientific view.
There are many strains of flu floating around, and the tests do not catch every single one. Pneumonia is a common complication of influenza.
No, of course not. If the Chinese would have been honest, they would have been open about the fact that there was a deadly disease outbreak instead of trying to hide it and pretend it didn't exist. If they would have been honest and isolated the first 28 patients--the initial case, and the 27 others that caused a doctor to suspect something unusual was up--we wouldn't be in this situation now. But like the lying communists they are, they hid it, they punished doctors for speaking up, and now the whole world is paying the price.
The weekend of 12/22 I picked up something while doing my usual I-85/77/81 trek up into the Western MD highlands for the holidays. For some reason, my mind keeps telling me I got it at the rest area at the NC/VA border; I used my foot on all the other latrine equipment in between because it looked like a septic hole in Calcutta. Well, I started feeling it the next day, and by Christmas Eve, I was feeling pretty wrung out. Chills, upper chest congestion, aching muscles, nose running like a water faucet. I waited until after the first, when I got back, to see my doc. His waiting room was stacked like a cord of wood - his nurse said she’d never seen a waiting room packed like that. He gave me Prednisone to open my lungs, azithromycin for the infection, and Cherrytussin with codeine for the hacking. It took a second visit to get everything cleared out of me. It seemed to go away, then came back. I’m not saying it was or wasn’t COVID-19; I just know that I was one sick puppy for almost two months before I finally shook it loose and felt ‘normal’ again. This was well before ‘coronavirus’ became the new buzzword, but who knows?
It could have been COVID. Or maybe your house was built on an Indian burial ground.
Our young adult children got a lung rash that lasted 100 days, starting Thanksgiving.
A guy I know at church spent December in China (not Wuhan - mostly in Beijing). He was mildly sick when he came back - doc said it was mild pneumonia. I was mildly sick a couple weeks after - had a sore throat and felt bad but no fever and continued to go to work. I took zinc lozenges and it cleared up after a few days. Then the news came out......still wonder what my friend had and what I had.
Don’t worry - stories like this won’t steal your thunder as Head Cheerleader of the Panic Attack ...
You probably have the CV antibodies.
[In order for the virus to have spread in a single month from one case in China to millions of cases all over the world, each sick person would have to infect thousands of others in a very short time. No one has contact with thousands of people on a daily basis.]
Public places have built in infection control measures, such as using anti-microbial materials in construction. Air handling systems are another measure. Most public places are cleaned regularly, as well.
Even on a subway train, in an airport, etc., you still need to be within 6 feet (2 meters) of someone who is actively shedding virus. Most of the infectious material expelled by a cough or sneeze will fall to the floor within seconds. As long as you are relatively careful, mindful of personal infection control measures (e.g. washing your hands), and keeping your distance from someone who is visibly ill, you should be fine.
[Public places have built in infection control measures, such as using anti-microbial materials in construction. Air handling systems are another measure. Most public places are cleaned regularly, as well.
Even on a subway train, in an airport, etc., you still need to be within 6 feet (2 meters) of someone who is actively shedding virus. Most of the infectious material expelled by a cough or sneeze will fall to the floor within seconds. As long as you are relatively careful, mindful of personal infection control measures (e.g. washing your hands), and keeping your distance from someone who is visibly ill, you should be fine.]
Second, what’s your take on the risk from casual interactions, such as a conversation with a cashier at the grocery store or an Uber driver, conducted face to face from about 3 feet or so? The current norm in most locked-down places, including mine, is to go to the grocery store without face coverings. Is this wise, or should the average Freeper mask up with a bandanna, just in case? My wife has sewn up a dozen or so surgical mask-looking things that are much nicer-looking than the commercial versions, just in case face coverings are made mandatory, but they’re obviously uncomfortable to wear for any length of time.
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