Looks to be more contagious but less lethal than the typical yearly flu from what I can see.
Thanks for the information.
I don’t care how many test positive. That is only a reflection of how many are being tested. The ONLY figures I even care about are the death figures.
Prior to the release of a safe and effective vaccine, serology testing to detect antibodies and a PCR test to determine if an infected individual still harbors active virus and is still a danger to others, isolation is still the only real safeguard. However if a given individual has antibodies and a negative PCR test, then that individual is immune, infection free and can freely go about their business. Hopefully these tests will be available soon to all.
If the economy sinks deep enough into the gutter, then it will turn COVID-19 into child’s play.
In short, the doctors and especially epidemiologists need to stop missing this in their pronouncements: 🎯
p.s. Now I wonder if that strange three-day cold I experienced in mid-December 2019 was a very mild case of COVID-19.... 🤔🤧😷
Why does Trump keep defending the stay at home recommendation when its been obvious for several weeks now that 2 million people are not going to die in the USA as we were warned by the CDC which initiated the lock-downs ? So, now that many tests have been completed show this virus only slightly worse than a flu and not orders of magnitudes, why still the social distancing and even mask recommendations ?
Could the more aggressive spread of this virus NOT be organic, does the president know something we don’t? How else to explain the non sensical recommendations to stay at home which we never do for flu's, swine flu for example but is destroying the economy while all the while as numbers come in, chickens are not falling from the sky?
When you see the estimated number of deaths from the flu as 40,000-80,000 in given year,...this is because some are reported as cause of death=flu and some cause of death= other ( eg pneumonia). As I understand it now with regards to convid-19...all deaths, however tangental, are required to be listed as cause of death=convid-19.
Furthemore, in previous years the number of flu deaths, as high as the were, occured with no social distancing to speak of.
The data is not yet in with determinable certainty.
It gets better every day as results are tallied down to the county by county level.
There is no “flu”. There are in fact many different flu’s so there is no definitive answer. Covid 19 must be compared to known flu occurrences with good data to get a meaningful comparative result.
Meanwhile, Rush the ignorant claims there is still no vaccine for flu not comprehending the fact that a flu shot is in fact a vaccine
Those intolerant of uncertainty must continue lashing out against self determined scape goats to have mental order. There is no certainty
“The case fatality rate, as a fraction of all closed cases admitted to intensive care, is thus a little over 50%, compared with only 22% for the non-COVID viral pneumonias of the past three years. “
SO, this virus is 2.27 times as deadly as the flu.
NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY A NATIONAL SHUTDOWN and the traumatic results to peoples lives and bringing them financial disaster, and a national economic catastrophe......
The fist thing in medicine is to know what you are treating for and HOW to treat it. Denying that leads to cases where the “failures” are not that a case COULD NOT be treated to a positive result, but what was the prescribed treatment.
When the authors say:
“Of the 2249 patients, 346 (15%) have died, 344 (15%) have been discharged alive, and 1559 (69%) are still in critical care. The case fatality rate, as a fraction of all closed cases admitted to intensive care, is thus a little over 50%, compared with only 22% for the non-COVID viral pneumonias of the past three years.”
the questions that have to be asked are:
1. What were the dates of arrival of each of the 2,249 cases?
2. What was understood about Covid-19 when they arrived.
3. What was understood about Covid-19 possible treatments when they arrived?
4. What treatments were applied in each case?
We know now - about Covid-19 - that the initial critical issue is not an ARDS (acute RESPIRATORY distress syndrome). If the breathing appears to be “working too hard” it is not the respiratory system that Covid-19 has attacked. Covid-19 has attacked the hemoglobin (red blood cells) that carry oxygen. That attack has released the oxygen from the hemoglobin. The entire body system in responding by asking the lungs to deliver more of what they cannot, because Covid-19 just releases it from the hemoglobin.
The harm to the lungs is secondary, from the inflammation of body tissues due to the free roaming oxygen.
What the body needs most initially is oxygen supplementation directly.
The most likelihood is the majority of the 2,249 cases arrived before a clearer understanding of HOW to treat a Covid-19 patient. That makes the comparison with the flu cases NOT merely that one virus is “worse” than another - they are all different - but best practices had not yet been identified and put to use against Covid-19.
Like how many of the 2,249 patients were treated quickly with Hyrdoxychloroquine? We know now that the Covid-19 patient benefit of Hyrdoxychloroquine is it blunts Covid-19 from robbing the hemoglobin of its oxygen. The lungs quit getting brain signals to work harder because the oxygen is getting delivered. The oxygen is not running amok, free, causing inflammation of internal tissues, like the lungs.
When we can say we know how to treat Covid-19 patients as well as we know how to treat “flu” patients, and we are giving Covid-19 patients the best possible treatments, then, and only then can the death rates between the two be compared, legitimately.
The actual good news is how far in a few short months we have gained in understanding of Covid-19 and how to treat for it. I do not doubt that the chances of survival, on average, of a severe Covid-19 patient landing in a hospital today is better than it was in January, February or March.
im curious to see how many regular flu deaths compared to covid-19 deaths for the last 3 months ,,
We have had them for thousands of years and will have them for thousands of years more.
The only thing that's changed now is:
A. Who's selling fear (Democrats in failed states such as New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, California, etc. desperate to get a multi-trillion dollar bailout for THEIR failed policies. Make no mistake, they are desperate and have no will or ability to join the economy that's surged under Trump since 2016 - or any future economy for that matter).
B. How they spread fear (television, the internet, and mobile phone apps. It's a lot easier to bombard people with lies now than ever before).
C. Who's buying the fear (people conditioned to listen to television, the internet, and phone apps instead of reason. There are a large number of people embracing this as it justifies their self-fulfilling helplessness).
The first recorded death from C-19 was only three months ago. This is just getting started. And the experts are saying it will most likely come back around. That has already started in China. This is only getting started.