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Acting Navy Secretary Resigns in Wake of USS Roosevelt Comments
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 7, 2020 | By Gordon Lubold

Posted on 04/07/2020 12:51:27 PM PDT by US Navy Vet

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To: US Navy Vet

Crazier and crazier.

Wonder if there’s more to this story.


121 posted on 04/07/2020 2:03:30 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: silverleaf
Thanks. I think that's where I read this tidbit.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

122 posted on 04/07/2020 2:06:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Both wrong. The Captain for leaking operational readiness details outside the chain of command. The Secretary for not simply dismissing him but feeling compelled to fly 8000 miles to his ship to deliver that diatribe.

Close.

Every officer knows that badmouthing another officer in front of the troops is an unforgivable misstep. Leadership of the worst kind. SECNAV of all people should have known that.

123 posted on 04/07/2020 2:09:17 PM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: Mr Rogers
Modly told the candy-assed sailors what they needed to hear. Pity we’re now such a nation of snowflakes that he’s been pressured to resign.

Agree with you here.

124 posted on 04/07/2020 2:10:49 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty."/)
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To: abb; Trump Girl Kit Cat

Never in my life have I seen a more disloyal and ungrateful bunch than the “Trump Generals.” Latest episode being all these grizzled admirals hiding under their desks refusing to do their sworn duties regarding Crozier. But no doubt they are more than ready to emerge from hiding and assume their Stepin Fetchit routines the moment another defense budget slashing Democrat is in the White House.


125 posted on 04/07/2020 2:17:33 PM PDT by lodi90 (Flubro)
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To: clintonh8r

I think Crozier’s chain of command agreed with him; and the Modly failed to act or allow the CNO down to do what they thought was the right response to the COVID-19a spread on the carrier.


126 posted on 04/07/2020 2:20:53 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: Mr Rogers

Modly told the candy-assed sailors what they needed to hear. Pity we’re now such a nation of snowflakes that he’s been pressured to resign.


Agree. One of the main goals of The Resistance (TM) from day 1 has been denying POTUS a capable staff. SECNAV is being held to standards nobody else is on that boat. Pure Alinsky move. Trump and the MAGA agneda is losing a good one.


127 posted on 04/07/2020 2:21:18 PM PDT by lodi90 (Flubro)
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To: silverleaf
I think its a damn shame when the Navy Secretary cant call out a stupid move without “ offending” the crew of a ship that was endangered by that stupid move.

If Modly thought his rant to the crew wasn't going to wind up in the media then he was either naive or stupid.

128 posted on 04/07/2020 2:23:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: US Navy Vet

MEMORANDUM FOR DISTRIBUTION
SUBJECT: SECNAV VECTOR 19
Before I start I want you all to know that I never, ever thought Vector 19 would be my final vector to you. I actually thought it was going to be around Vector 9! That being said, I am incredibly honored to have ever had the chance to have written even Vector 1.
This past week has been what I have been talking to you about all along—what we can best predict about the future is that it will be unpredictable. No doubt you have all monitored the events this week which placed our Navy in the spotlight in a negative way—largely due to my poor use of words yesterday on the USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT (TR). You are justified in being angry with me about that. There is no excuse, but perhaps a glimpse of understanding, and hopefully empathy.
I have been monitoring the crew of the TR and all of ships with coronavirus (COVID-19) cases closely. I have personally spoken with the Commanding Officer (CO) of every ship and installation in which we have such cases. When I walked on the quarterdeck of the TR I lost situational awareness and decided to speak with them as if I was their commander, or their shipmate, rather than their Secretary. They deserved better, and I hope that over the passage of time that they will understand the words themselves rather than the manner in which they were delivered. But what’s done is done. I can’t take it back, and frankly I don’t know if I walked back up that quarterdeck today if I wouldn’t have the same level of emotions that drove my delivery yesterday.
The crew deserved a lot more empathy and a lot less lecturing—I lost sight of that at the time and I am deeply sorry for some of the words and for how they were spread across the media landscape like a wildfire. I had hoped to transmit a message of love, and duty, and mission, and courage in the face of adversity. Those words are in there, but they are now lost, because of me, and I will regret that for the rest of my life. But, I am not a football head coach, or a master chief, or even the ship’s own CO, I am the Secretary of the Navy and you, and they, should expect more out of me. I own it.
I realize that I have consistently told each and every one of you “Don’t Ever, Ever Give Up the Ship.” That is why it is very important for me to communicate to you why I have submitted my resignation today. We all have to understand what our ship is. I love the Navy and Marine Corps. I love our country, and I love you. You are all on my one big ship. But the ramifications of mistakes, even simple ones, when someone is charged with protecting a ship that large and that important can be fatal. It is not just missiles that can take us down, words can do it too, if we aren’t careful with how and when we use them. 2

SUBJECT: SECNAV VECTOR 19 My lack of situational awareness due to my emotions of the moment did the exact same thing to MY ship, as I would hold you accountable for as you lead yours. I brought incoming fire onto our team and I am convinced that the fire will continue unrelentingly until the target is gone. I know what I have to do save the ship. I have always tried to do the right thing for all of you. Always. I never cared about the title, I cared about the relationships. I trust you all know that and that you know how terribly sad I am right now that I disappointed you by not keeping our ship out of harm’s way. It’s my fault. I own it. Now on to the vector: In the classic hard rock satire “rock-umentary” movie called “This is Spinal Tap,” there is a scene in which the lead guitarist, Nigel Tufnil, played by Christopher Guest, is explaining how their band is able to take their sound to the next level. He shows the interviewer, played by Rob Reiner, the Spinal Tap amplifiers and explains that instead of going to volume level 10 like all other traditional hard rock amplifiers, Spinal Tap’s amplifiers have an extra level of volume—volume level 11. The interviewer says, “well instead of having 11 why don’t you make each individual level just a little louder than the traditional amplifier—so you know make the 1 a little louder, the 2 a little louder, the 3 a little louder, etc., up to 10?” Nigel looks at him with the apparent inability to grasp the concept of doing something different than the way he has always done it. He pauses, dumbfounded, and simply says, “But, these go to 11.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0o Does this sound like a familiar story to you? How many times in your Navy or Marine Corps career have you thought about, or even suggested, a different, better way of doing things and the response has been, “Well, that’s not how we do it?” I guarantee that this has happened to you more than once. If not, you must not be in the Department of the Navy and you should not be on the distribution list for this email! Don’t worry, this happens everywhere. People and organizations are resistant to change. Change is uncomfortable. The important point is that phrases like “this is how we do it in the Navy” or “this is how we do it in the Marine Corps” can be dual-edged swords. There is great value in stability, in tradition, in order, in a consistent way of doing things that we must respect and appreciate. But when it stifles the characteristics of agility that I have spoken to you about before (velocity, visibility, adaptability, innovation, collaboration, trust, humility, and skepticism), those same “this is how we do it” phrases can erode a team’s ability to win in a dynamic and rapidly changing environment - like the one that we are in. I want to focus on one of these characteristics specifically this week: visibility. Visibility is all about communications up, and perhaps more importantly, down the chain of command. Visibility is also about knowing when and how to appropriately consult and communicate laterally across the organization. For our Navy and Marine Corps team, it must never be about sharing operationally sensitive information for the world to see about your ship, your unit, your acquisition program, your team, your concerns about readiness, your personal views about your command, etc. SUBJECT: SECNAV VECTOR 19
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In my previous line of work with a big consulting firm, we prided ourselves for being a learning organization. We had training and learning requirements that put us through a variety of different legal, moral, operational, customer, ethical, and leadership challenges. As each challenge was presented, and possible answers discussed, invariably the first thing that was cited that we should do was to “consult.” This did not mean go out and sell a consulting project to a client, rather it meant “consult” with others across the organization, up and down, to seek the best solution to specific problems. It was amazing to me how empowering this was. How much I could learn if I put myself out there to seek it without fear of retribution or resentment.
In 2010, with that same firm, I was leading a project team in Baghdad assisting U.S. forces with the economic development mission in the country. Out of the blue, in the spring of 2010, my DoD client asked us to split the team and send half to Afghanistan to help the Ministry of Mines develop an official tendering process for its minerals industry. This is a process nation’s use to sell national mineral rights to mining companies. No one on that team had any experience in mining, but the request was urgent. We “consulted.” I reached out broadly to my partners in the US firm, who connected me to our US mining practice leader, who then connected us to our global mining practice leader in London, who then connected us to the most experienced team in the world, with respect to tendering in lesser developed countries. Within days we had the most experienced team in the world engaged in Afghanistan. “Consulting” works. It empowers teams. It is a force multiplier.
In the military culture we must sustain the sanctity of the chain of command. But in the information age in which we all live, that sanctity is only useful to our mission if we use that chain for frequent communications up and down, even if this means skipping steps down if you are the highest responsible person at the top of that chain. The world is moving too fast to do otherwise.
The events of the last several weeks with respect to my decision to relieve the CO of the USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT indicate to me that we have some work to do in this regard, so you must pick up the mantle and fix this. No person should ever be afraid of bringing up issues of concern to their immediate superiors through an established and well understood path that respects both the chain of command and our own individual duty to fulfill our oaths. And, no commander should ever resent or discourage anyone senior in their chain of command from reaching down to gain better situational awareness from the people closest to the problem. That being said, there is a proper, courteous, and respectful way to do this that we must adhere to, especially during times of crisis.
I know we can do this, it just takes a willingness to recognize it is important. And the next time someone says to you “that’s not the way we do it”, think to yourself, “these go to 11”, smile politely, and then apply yourself even harder to seek a better way.
I love you all. Know that every second of every minute of every hour of every day of my time leading you has been an honor and a privilege, and I grateful for your friendship, mentorship, and willingness to listen and act on my behalf. SUBJECT: SECNAV VECTOR 19
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You know what to do. Take the helm. It’s your ship now. Don’t ever, ever, ever give it up. And forever, Beat Army!
SECNAV


129 posted on 04/07/2020 2:24:42 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (available monkeys looking for the change..)
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To: US Navy Vet

This is really trumps fault.
He should never have discussed this issue with media.
The captains actions were treasonous.


130 posted on 04/07/2020 2:31:16 PM PDT by va22030
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To: lodi90

The Navy Admirals were right. Bet they all hated Modly.


131 posted on 04/07/2020 2:32:54 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: Midwesterner53; packrat35

You KNEW Packrat was referring to Crozier.

Very, VERY interesting.


132 posted on 04/07/2020 2:33:35 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: va22030

Welcome to FR.


133 posted on 04/07/2020 2:34:09 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks, GD!

Recklessly clueless it is.

134 posted on 04/07/2020 2:37:30 PM PDT by Seaplaner
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To: packrat35

I figure book publishers and agents have already contacted Crozier.


135 posted on 04/07/2020 2:37:42 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: lodi90

DOUBLE DITTO!! Right on!!!


136 posted on 04/07/2020 2:37:57 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: lodi90

State Department arranged the port call. The Captain had virtually no input.


137 posted on 04/07/2020 2:42:46 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: silverleaf

From the American Thinker link:

“[Acting Navy Secretary Thomas] Modly is the responsible, accountable official to the American people. And he had reason to believe that the captain operated outside the chain of command and he relieved him,” Milley told Fox News’s Outnumbered Overtime on Friday.

Milley said there is an ongoing investigation into what happened, but he trusted Modly and his judgment and would support him.

He added, “The secretary of the Navy is responsible to the American people for the good order and discipline of the Navy. And when he loses trust and confidence in a ship’s captain, then that’s it. It’s target down. And we’re moving on to the next, to the next task.”

[snip]

Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.


138 posted on 04/07/2020 2:48:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: WASCWatch

State

Again.

That place needs serious reno. Including the people.


139 posted on 04/07/2020 2:59:05 PM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Interesting thread, thanks for the ping. Definitely a mixed bag.


140 posted on 04/07/2020 3:01:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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