However, watching FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn's interview on the Watter's World show this Saturday night really opened my eyes.
One of the things i've noticed is that guys like Hahn and Fauci sing totally different tunes when they're not on the stage with President Trump, but are off giving interviews by themselves ...
And tonight Hahn said two things (with one omission) that blew my mind and may explain why we're not hearing squat about the putative NYC hydroxychloroquine trial:
1. When Jesse asked Hahn how long it would take to get results from the NYC hydroxychloroquine trial, Hahn said "months",and then let the subject completely drop without saying another word. Obviously, by the end of several months several hundreds of thousands will have died and any "results" would be moot ...
2. Then Jesse asked Hahn about the plasmapheresis "cure", and Hahn rhapsodized about how rapidly everyone was moving on this and how many different research centers were involved and all the work the FDA was doing on this and how the Red Cross was going to do all of that and that Hahn was expecting results really quickly ... totally different attitude and enthusiasm level than with the supposed NYC hydroxychloroquine trial.
3. Finally, Hahn completely failed to mention the new Oracle platform that lets any doctor anywhere in the USA join and input clinical data about experiences with prescribing hydroxychloroquine, where said platform is a tremendousinnovation in quickly collecting and analyzing trial data (https://www.oracle.com/corporate/covid-19-tls-faq.html)
It seems to us that Hahn and the rest are doing everything in their power to suppress the use of a cheap drug no one can make a profit on, and promote an EXTREMELY expensive process that's not scalable and will likely cost tens of thousands of dollars per dose ... so it looks to us that they're: 1.) trying to screw President Trump, 2.) suppress hydroxychloroquine because it was "not invented here", 3.) suppress hydroxychloroquine because there's no profit to be made, and 4.) suppress hydroxychloroquine because it's low-tech and not sexy like plasmapheresis
Someone like the "Tucker Carlson Show" or the "Hannity Show" needs to investigate whether the putative hydroxychloroquinetrial NYC trial is really happening and when will there be results, and who is responsible if the whole thing is a sham or set up to fail or not produce timely results ...
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Hahn is a world class do-nothing bureaucrat.
Hahn is a world class do-nothing bureaucrat.
Seems like they’re all trying to out-scientific everyone else. They can’t say it enough, hydroxychloroquine efficacy is ANECDOTAL I TELL YA!!
Do they get some sort of reward from a medical society for being so fanatical about the scientific method?
I can go to a nutritionist, an acupuncturist, a medicine man, a granny witch, an herbalist, a chiropractor or an abortionist, but I shouldn’t be allowed to take this one unproven remedy because it might not work?
It’s between me and my doctor! My body my health! Isn’t that in the lefty hymn book?
[[and promote an EXTREMELY expensive process that’s not scalable and will likely cost tens of thousands of dollars per dose]]
It’s pretty sick when our government has so much of OUR money that they can’t budget and have to create ways to spend it on more expensive stuff to enrich others who will then vote for them-
Talk about corrupt-
What about the HCQ test run by UMN? I think they started well before NY and IIRC they had a preliminary check date 21 April. And there are several other studies on HCQ being run in many other countries. One idiotic administrator is not enough to stop them all.
Even if the patients recover in days?
Get on the ball bureaucRATs.
L8r
we don’t need a master’s thesis
give anyone/me or any good data analytics person the results in a file format of their choice and we/I can give you results in two to three days-might not be 75 pages long but it will give you the results-ought to tell Hahn he doesn’t have a job or pay like the rest of us and he would have the results in a couple of weeks
Right to try?
They ban together to squash the opponent.
Yes, the deep state is alive and killing America
These public health hacks don’t want a cure. They really don’t want prophylaxis They want power and money
This part of the swamp must be drained too
But he also went to the microphones yesterday and said it’s available for compassionate use. They’re not waiting for trial results.
What he said is that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine can be prescribed by your physician NOW, without you having to be in a clinical trial, and without you having to wait until the clinical trials are completed.
That said, without well-controlled clinical trials, we have only anecdotal evidence of efficacy. Personally, given the potential for this virus to kill, and considering that there is a good scientific/mechanistic reason why chloroquine may be effective, I would definitely prescribe it for Covid patients. However, we still need to concomitantly do controlled trials to prove that it is effective.
I've done a fair number of clinical trials on novel agents, and it is very common for the Phase I/II trials (generally not designed or controlled to assess efficacy - but rather to define safety) to show some dramatic results. However, many (most) of these results do not hold up when tested in controlled efficacy trials. Thus, controlled trials are necessary.
That said, I assure you that there is NO WAY to coerce the medical community to participate in a financially-driven effort to suppress an effective drug. The vast majority of physicians want their patients to do well, and most of us would prescribe a medication ‘off-label’ if we thought it would save a patient.
In general, there has been lots of shoot from the hip commentary from the media, politicians, AND from some in the medical community with regards Covid. NO ONE is an expert on Covid at this point. NO ONE. Even knowing the sequence and encoded proteins doesn't make one an expert on the biology of the virus. We don't even know exactly how it is transmitted, and what has been purported about this has evolved over time (i.e. China initially said it couldn't be transferred from person to person).
Regarding the Oracle platform, I think this is exactly what needs to happen, so that there is a central repository of data that we ALL can access and assess. That said, piecemeal data, even if there is a lot of it, does not give you the same information that a well-designed clinical trial does.
I look at this sort of like what was going on at NASA during Apollo 13. They were facing a new problem, didn't have all the information they needed, and they had not anticipated all that they faced. They got through it with great success because they maintained cool heads and ‘worked the problem’.
That's what we need to do with Covid. At this point, we don't truly even know how Covid emerged (e.g. mutation in bats etc., result of genetic engineering?).
A doc on Jessie Waters last night, FDA commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn, said it would take months for Hydrochlorozine to be finished with trials.
Meanwhile, this from the Post:
“An experimental HIV drug that has been used to successfully treat COVID-19 patients is in its second phase of testing with the Food and Drug Administration and could potentially be approved for use in four weeks, its manufacturer says.”
It’s all about Big Pharma. All about Big Pharma.
the antiTrump US government will murder anyone with
a cure for this disease. anyone.
There was a story on this forum yesterday where a person attempted to volunteer to be a subject of the Pittsburgh hydroxychloroquine trial. It took several tries, but he finally found someone involved with the “study”. He was told “it is far too early to be involving volunteers”. He finally was able to give his contact information but felt that it was not even been recorded.
I have been trying to think about what we have LEARNED from all this. If the next few days do not show a BIG difference in numbers, then here’s what we have LEARNED:
DO NOT TRUST THE SCIENTISTS. NEVER LET THIS SHUTDOWN OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY HAPPEN AGAIN. IT DID NOT WORK, FAUCI.
STOP WITH THE “MITIGATING” BECAUSE IT DID NOTHING BUT CAUSE THE COLLAPSE OF A WONDERFUL SYSTEM.
People in kitchen: "We can use this fire extinguisher from the car."
CDC: "No, that is only approved for car use. It will take months of study to determine whether it's safe to use inside a kitchen."
People in kitchen: "But we're wiling to take that risk, just let us put out the fire now. A lot of people have saved their homes with these."
CDC: "NO!, that's anecdotal. We'll know more next year."