Posted on 03/28/2020 5:43:14 AM PDT by jazminerose
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the health specialist on the coronavirus task force, has said the virus’s mortality rate is closer to that of a bad case of the flu. In a Thursday report published by the New England Journal of Medicine, Fauci conceded COVID-19’s death rate was twice that of the common flu, making it roughly 0.28 percent.
That rate is exceptionally low, especially when compared to that of the SARS and MERS epidemics, which peaked at 9 percent and 36 percent respectively.
His latest comments marked a major about-face for Fauci, who previously claimed the coronavirus was 10 times as deadly as the flu.
“The seasonal flu that we deal with every year has a mortality of 0.1 percent,” he said. “I think if you count all the cases of minimally symptomatic or asymptomatic infection, that probably brings the mortality rate down to somewhere around 1 percent, which means it is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”
It’s true he did say that while ago but the article posted actually tells us he backed it off to only being twice as deadly as the normal flu. That’s what this thread is about fauci has backed down and rescinded his former claim.
It’s just a bad flu bro.
I just want to see the comparative data from past pandemics that didn’t result in the absolute suspension of certain liberties. Is that so unreasonable.
“It’s real” is irrelevant. Of course it’s real. I am not disputing that or it’s danger. I am calling into question the measures being implemented to fight it. Your liberty is being severely curtailed, that is also real.
H1N1 was real. Our liberties not being curtailed was as well. Or was it that they were cramming Obamacare down our throats and restricting our liberty that way. If they only realized then! Think what Mr. Pen and phone could have done if he figured out how to make good use of a pandemic.
What is going on now is a dress rehearsal for the next dem regime my friend.
I am still with Franklin on this one:
Liberty for security results in neither.
At 1.4%, if 10 million people get infected, that’s 140,000 dead. If 60 million get infected, that’s 600,000 dead.
So, it’s not the flu.
Dude, that site you rely on is second and third hand incomplete reporting. It is not the Gospel, not even close. The breakdown of cases isn’t even reported on by most states and jurisdictions. Take those numbers as minimums and not even approximately accurate.
“Time to deal in real facts not clinging to mis-leading meaningless data designed to manipulate peoples fears and purposely avoid informing them of real facts”
Indeed.
The attacks aren’t personal at all. Sad that some view an attack on a point as being personal. I take issue with any chart that has as a premise a comparative to China. Such a chart must be, by its very nature, reliant on data from China.
I am currently not a fan of China.
They are not housecats, though, which is the point you pretend not to get while you feebly attempt to troll, Mr. Pear.
Believe anything that comes out of ChiComs? Seriously?
Do the networks ever say, such and such a hurricane is not to be feared?
No, it’s the same cover-the-risks narrative. The exaggeration of danger is meant to scare the public into protective action and cover the a$$ of legislators, governors, CEO, Presidents, clergy — you name it.
Like it or not, this is the system we live under.
Those are some big *ifs*.
So far, only people with serious symptoms are being tested. Until we can test large populations, we don’t have accurate figures on the mortality rate. Currently we are saying that people who develop serious symptoms have a mortality rate somewhere between 1 and 5%. We know it’s deadly, but we really don’t have a handle on how deadly.
“Point being, they present numbers to the world that say, “see this wasn’t that bad for us because we are super awesome at containing this.” Their actions and deeds say otherwise.”
Yes, they do. We all know this. But if Travis puts up the numbers we *think* are true, he’s then injecting his own politics instead of just reporting what the myriad sources are claiming.
In the end it just makes China’s deception more evident. Leave it be and ignore it until going after China becomes the focus. That’s not yet.
Real nice graph, Travis. Thanks.
The OAN article discusses comments from the March 26 White House Press Briefing - unfortunately there was no corresponding link.
The Journal link goes to an article published in February to show the earlier conclusions that are being modified as the projections are revised downward.
The YouTube video of a March 11 briefing is before the downward revise. Now I think he is focused on lethality apart from communicability and contagion - it might be helpful to locate a transcript.
Uber bogus response to my non-bogus arguments all-nighter which you did not read and I don’t blame you as I can be too damn long winded.
The graph’s heading is what it is. Did I misread it? And if the graph disproves the heading as you say, then you actually agree with me. It is the equivalent of a headline not matching a story.
Yes it is a nifty graph. It shows that the disease is spreading, like they all do. It shows that the deaths are increasing, like they do for every disease.
It shows this is serious, which I believe.
But there are two issues here. The first is the reality of the disease and it’s spread. I am on board fully with that and don’t debate it.
But I question the measures. I question letting the authoritarian cat out of the bag. History has proven that is tough to get back in the cage.
So what I demand is that rather than posting graphs on what we already know, e.g. the disease is spreading and killing people, can we get some context. What did the H1N1 graph look like? It probably wasn’t as severe but that much less? And if not, then why are we constraining liberty and destroying our economy now if we didn’t then (thankfully)?
“Believe anything that comes out of ChiComs? Seriously?”
This must be a crossed-reply.
I said,
“We have Wuhan China, and what we can figure out happened. Hopefully we have good sattelites and ground intelligence.”
So, clearly I DON’T believe anything that comes out of China.
I do think that we should be able to look at what is happening in America and countries whose data we can trust, to possibly extrapolate what is really happening in China.
Good points.
And as regards the news people,EVERYTHING is reported breathlessly as a HUGE DEAL.
It’s all about ratings. Calm rational reporting doesn’t grab viewers like sensational theatre.
If. Such a nice word when you need a filler for data.
You could be right. You could equally be wrong. As more testing comes on line and the patient population grows, the mortality rate will it remain static and your “if” needs adjusting.
If is also dangerous. The next one that hits might not be a shadow of this one. But you can bet that “if” a dem is in office, they will have laid close attention to this one and they will use “if” to accomplish every dream on their wish list, all based on “if.”
Amen.
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