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Special Report: 'All is well'. In Italy, triage and lies for virus patients
Reuters ^ | March 17, 2020 | by Emilio Parodi, Silvia Aloisi, Pamela Barbaglia

Posted on 03/17/2020 3:24:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

MILAN - The fight against death pauses every day at 1 p.m.

At that time, doctors in the intensive care unit of Policlinico San Donato phone relatives of the unit’s 25 critically-ill coronavirus patients, all of whom are sedated and have tubes down their throats to breathe, to update the families. Lunchtime used to be for visiting hours at this Milan hospital. But now, as the country grapples with a coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 2,000 people, no visitors are allowed in. And no one in Italy leaves their homes anymore.

When the doctors make the calls, they try not to give false hope: They know that one out of two patients in intensive care with the disease caused by the virus is likely to die.

As the COVID-19 epidemic expands and the disease progresses, these beds are in increasing demand, especially because of the breathing problems the illness can bring. Every time a bed comes free, two anaesthesiologists consult with a specialist in resuscitation and an internal medicine physician to decide who will occupy it.

Age and pre-existing medical conditions are important factors. So is having a family.

“We have to take into account whether older patients have families who can take care of them once they leave the ICU, because they will need help,” says Marco Resta, deputy head of Policlinico San Donato’s Intensive Care Unit.

The most devastating medical crisis in Italy since World War Two is forcing doctors, patients and their families to make decisions that Resta, a former military doctor, said he has not experienced even in war. As of Monday, 2,158 people had died and 27,980 been infected by coronavirus in Italy – the second highest number of reported cases and deaths in the world behind China.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; communityspread; covid19; italy; virus; wuhanp4
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1 posted on 03/17/2020 3:24:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t envy the doctors who have to make decisions like this:


[Italian doctors say that so many elderly COVID-19 patients are showing up with breathing problems, they can’t take a chance on those who have a slim hope of recovery.

Alfredo Visioli was one such patient. When he was diagnosed, the 83-year old from Cremona was living a busy, active life, at home with a German shepherd, Holaf, that the family had given him. He cared for his 79-year-old wife, Ileana Scarpanti, who had suffered a stroke two years ago, said his granddaughter Marta Manfredi.

At first, he only had intermittent fever, but two weeks after he was diagnosed with COVID-19, he developed pulmonary fibrosis - a disease resulting from lung tissue becoming damaged and scarred, which makes it harder and harder to breathe.

Doctors in the hospital at Cremona, a town of about 73,000 in the Lombardy region, had to decide whether to intubate him to help him breathe.

“They said there was no point,” said Manfredi. ]


Pulmonary fibrosis is a broad category covering what people who had asbestos-related problems get. What I’m reading here is that, in the worst case, this bug does to patients’ lungs, what used to take decades of occupational exposure to asbestos, via construction work. It’s a really nasty bug that can cause permanent problems even after ostensible recovery.


2 posted on 03/17/2020 3:43:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The death toll from Europe’s 2003 heatwave should have been a warning.


3 posted on 03/17/2020 3:49:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Download this and read it. You're right, it's one nasty bug.

Sure as Hell ain't, "jus da flu".

4 posted on 03/17/2020 3:54:17 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is no compassion in socialism and fascism; to arrive at these, God is first kicked out of your vehicle.


5 posted on 03/17/2020 3:55:20 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (It's the Wuhon Corona virus, not the U.S. coroner virus. Dem panic <> pandemic.)
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To: mewzilla

The press refused to analyze the 2003 heatwave, but if you went from raw data at the time...the bulk of French and Italian deaths were people over the age of 65. The older Germans? It was like one German for every ten French dead. The Germans who were dehydrated, went to bottled water....the French went to wine (I think the same for the Italians).


6 posted on 03/17/2020 3:57:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Europe’s seniors are expendable, unless they’re members of the ruling class.

The UK calling them “bed blockers” should tell anyone everything they need to know.


7 posted on 03/17/2020 4:00:52 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

EU politicians hope this eliminates many of those on social program, freeing up money for more migrants who will become tax paying workers.


8 posted on 03/17/2020 4:16:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: Zhang Fei
What I’m reading here is that, in the worst case, this bug does to patients’ lungs, what used to take decades of occupational exposure to asbestos, via construction work.

You are assuming that he did not have decades of occupational exposure to asbestos or silica.

9 posted on 03/17/2020 4:34:59 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

[You are assuming that he did not have decades of occupational exposure to asbestos or silica. ]


[At first, he only had intermittent fever, but two weeks after he was diagnosed with COVID-19, he developed pulmonary fibrosis - a disease resulting from lung tissue becoming damaged and scarred, which makes it harder and harder to breathe.]


10 posted on 03/17/2020 4:42:57 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
"It's just a flu, Bro!"©
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

11 posted on 03/17/2020 4:45:06 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: Zhang Fei

What I am saying is that he may have already had a pre-existing lung disease and the COVID-19 pushed him over the edge.


12 posted on 03/17/2020 4:45:46 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

[What I am saying is that he may have already had a pre-existing lung disease and the COVID-19 pushed him over the edge.]


If you’ve been exposed to asbestos on construction sites for decades, you already have pulmonary fibrosis. You don’t develop it after exposure to covid-19. There are other mentions of the permanent debilitating effects of the disease in the news. It’s just that this one came with a name and family members attached to it.


13 posted on 03/17/2020 4:51:29 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Single payor healthcare proving how bad it is.


14 posted on 03/17/2020 5:18:23 AM PDT by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: pepsionice
...the French went to wine (I think the same for the Italians)

I can't speak for the conditions in France but I can speak for the conditions for Italians, if they drank their own water it would probably kill them, or make them sick.

15 posted on 03/17/2020 5:24:43 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: Zhang Fei

Hospital in Italy, (video from Jack Posobiec of OANN) https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1239741543654834179


16 posted on 03/17/2020 5:30:34 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: bray

Johns Hopkins hospital in Baltimore is preparing for a surge in patients with COVID-19 by postponing “non-essential” surgeries for two weeks. The NHS just did a similar move in the UK.

This thing isn’t just going to pound state run health systems.


17 posted on 03/17/2020 5:32:16 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Wu Flu! [when I feel heavy metal] Wu Flu! [when I'm pins and I'm needles] Wu Flu!)
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To: pepsionice
During the 2003 heat wave there was more than enough water, ice, and cooling centers for the elderly in France. The problem was that nobody cared enough to actually look after the elderly. They died alone in their apartments.
18 posted on 03/17/2020 5:39:04 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: ReformedBeckite
They all drink bottled water. But the main problem they aren't mentioning in Italy is the bad winter air. Northern Italy has the same problem every winter and it makes viruses much more transmissible.
19 posted on 03/17/2020 5:40:26 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: Rashputin

Re your article link:

The article abstract provides a clear explanation of why malaria medicine chloroquine has been found to be helpful. It interferes with virus proteins that bind to the porphyrin components of hemoglobin. And attacking red blood cells is what the malaria parasite does.


20 posted on 03/17/2020 5:45:22 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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