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1 posted on 03/17/2020 3:24:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t envy the doctors who have to make decisions like this:


[Italian doctors say that so many elderly COVID-19 patients are showing up with breathing problems, they can’t take a chance on those who have a slim hope of recovery.

Alfredo Visioli was one such patient. When he was diagnosed, the 83-year old from Cremona was living a busy, active life, at home with a German shepherd, Holaf, that the family had given him. He cared for his 79-year-old wife, Ileana Scarpanti, who had suffered a stroke two years ago, said his granddaughter Marta Manfredi.

At first, he only had intermittent fever, but two weeks after he was diagnosed with COVID-19, he developed pulmonary fibrosis - a disease resulting from lung tissue becoming damaged and scarred, which makes it harder and harder to breathe.

Doctors in the hospital at Cremona, a town of about 73,000 in the Lombardy region, had to decide whether to intubate him to help him breathe.

“They said there was no point,” said Manfredi. ]


Pulmonary fibrosis is a broad category covering what people who had asbestos-related problems get. What I’m reading here is that, in the worst case, this bug does to patients’ lungs, what used to take decades of occupational exposure to asbestos, via construction work. It’s a really nasty bug that can cause permanent problems even after ostensible recovery.


2 posted on 03/17/2020 3:43:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The death toll from Europe’s 2003 heatwave should have been a warning.


3 posted on 03/17/2020 3:49:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is no compassion in socialism and fascism; to arrive at these, God is first kicked out of your vehicle.


5 posted on 03/17/2020 3:55:20 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (It's the Wuhon Corona virus, not the U.S. coroner virus. Dem panic <> pandemic.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

EU politicians hope this eliminates many of those on social program, freeing up money for more migrants who will become tax paying workers.


8 posted on 03/17/2020 4:16:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
"It's just a flu, Bro!"©
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

11 posted on 03/17/2020 4:45:06 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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Single payor healthcare proving how bad it is.


14 posted on 03/17/2020 5:18:23 AM PDT by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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There are several on this thread who seem to be making the assumption that there is something "different" in northern Italy that is making it worse there.

That is dangerous thinking. The only thing different is that Italy DID not take it seriously in the beginning. It got a foothold and they had NOT prepared for it either as a people or a government. The isolation and actions they took were too late to prevent what is now happening.

This CAN and WILL happen here IF we don't take it seriously and get the idea that we can just carry on like always.

24 posted on 03/17/2020 8:12:10 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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This is inexpressably sad. I haven’t been to Italy for over a decade, but even the last time I visited, community hospitals were still family affairs, with most of the patients receiving their food not from the hospital commissary but from family members bringing hot meals.

My travel companion and I were friends with a doctor, so he took us to the doctor’s lunch service, green salad and pasta with red sauce, which came complete with homemade red wine in long-recycled bottles patina’ed with a thousand tiny scratches. It was like eating at grandma’s, there in the hospital.

Being separated from loved ones at the time of death is so sad for these folks. Itally, like much of Europe, has veered left, and even the birth rate there is below replacement level, so there is no mention of Last Rites for CV-19 patients, and one imagines it is not allowed.

I was also creepled out by the blithe mention of assisted dying early in the article, as if anyone should be within rights to just order up that option.


25 posted on 03/17/2020 10:58:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Party that freed sIaves, passed Civil Rights is called racist by the party that started the KKK.)
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