Posted on 03/14/2020 1:05:15 PM PDT by amorphous
rench Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has ordered the closure of all non-essential public locations from midnight (23:00 GMT Saturday) in response to the coronavirus outbreak.
The measure applies to restaurants, cafes, cinemas and nighclubs as well as non-essential businesses.
Mr Philippe also called on French people to reduce their travel, especially between towns.
France reported a sharp rise in cases on Saturday, from 3,661 to 4,499.
It recorded 12 more deaths, bringing the toll to 79.
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Leave the mosques open. They can’t be burning cars if they’re coughing.
What is happening in Spain?
With 191 deaths and 6,046 infections, Spain is the worst-hit country in Europe after Italy, which declared a nationwide lockdown on Monday.
Authorities recorded 1,800 more cases since Friday evening - many in the capital Madrid.
The Spanish government is poised to declare a 15-day national lockdown under which people would be allowed out of their homes only for emergencies, to buy food, or for work.
All public transport would be cut back with airline, train, bus and boat operators told they need to cut their services by at least half and that any plane, train, bus or other means of transport can only be a third full, Reuters news agency reports.
This will be the second state of emergency in the country since the transition to democracy began in 1975, the first being a 2010 air traffic controllers' strike.
Some measures have already been enforced at local level. Madrid and its surrounding area have ordered the closure of most bars, restaurants and shops.
I love Spanish wines above all others. This blows.
but i love the real jamon iberico more!!
After 79 deaths? Need more information
Not bacon, not prosciutto, but something deliciously in between.
Everybody is freaking out because of what they’re seeing in Italy.
So France should be closed?
“After 79 deaths?”
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It’s not the dead - it’s the living sick that are the problem. They fill up the hospitals and just keep on coming, non-stop. It crashes the system.
And then that's when the numbers of dead go up. The idea is not to get to that point. It's like people who think Y2K was no big deal, without realizing just how much work it took to make it 'no big deal'.
:^)
“It’s like people who think Y2K was no big deal, without realizing just how much work it took to make it ‘no big deal’. “
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Yup. If nobody had realized how Y2K would really affect just about everything and nobody took action to fix it, all hell would have broke loose. There were just some bugs here and there that were missed and things turned out pretty well. If only CV19 were as easy to fix.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
I watch this map.
People need to stop posting “statistics” that do not stand up to critical analysis. The problem with this data, and other like it, is there is a huge disconnect between the population samples of deaths and infected patients. The population samples for deaths are highly known and highly accurate because deaths are almost always reported and investigated. However, the population samples for infected are completely unknown and unreported and therefore highly suspect and inaccurate. You cannot take a known numerator and divide it into an unknown denominator and achieve an accurate result. This is basic statistics. Whenever anyone posts data like this, without critically dissecting the results, makes me think some other agenda is driving the narrative.
Case in point. The best data was from the Diamond Princess Cruise ship. That represents about the best statistical case study you could hope for because it was a highly concentrated, but very diverse population that was fixed so it couldn’t change while it was being studied. That is almost a perfect statistical environment. Here are the facts:
There were 3700 passengers and crew. All were tested, and roughly 700 were infected. That is only a 19% infection rate. Of the 700 infected, about 400 showed no symptoms. That’s almost 60%, and that is both good and bad. On the good side, it shows that for most people, your reaction will be minor. On the bad side, it shows that a high number can spread the disease without knowing it, which is why they are trying to ban large groups of people. Now the big data point. Out of 700 infected, there were eventually 7 deaths, but ALL of those were in their 70’s and 80’s. This is a 1% mortality rate, and that is about 10x greater then “normal” flu. But even that is not really accurate since almost all “normal” flu deaths are greatly reduced because so many people are vaccinated. So if you could get a “normal” flu that had no vaccination protocol, then you would get much higher death rates that would be probably very similar to coronavirus.
So if you just report the 10x mortality statistic, it sounds like the end of the world. But the true reality is 99% of the people that get infected will survive. When viewed like that, it really doesn’t warrant all the panic that is happening.
The bottom line is this should be considered a very dangerous case of flu because of the higher mortality rate, primarily because there is no vaccine. But ANY flu should be considered dangerous for people in the highest risk categories, which is why vaccines are stressed for the highest risk categories: elderly, weak immune systems, underlying diseases, and in this case...smokers! One of the reasons why the infection is so bad in Italy is because they have the highest elderly population in Europe, plus they have a very high smoker population. Same for Spain. People in those categories should be especially cautious and take prudent steps to protect themselves. But for the general healthy population to go into self-imposed quarantine and lockdown, that is illogical and just spreads unnecessary panic.
This disease is here. Nothing is going to stop it. Odds are everyone is going to be exposed to it in the next 12-24 months, so if you think you can barricade yourself in, you better be prepared for that long a stay. 1% will probably die, but 99% will probably be fine. 1% of the world population is a lot, but it is not the end of the world.
Right now the problem is high risk groups are probably going to get very sick and require hospitalization. This is why they are trying travel and group meeting bans, to try to slow the spread of the infection. They know they can’t stop it, only slow it. The health system cannot handle a huge spike in cases. You can see what happened in Wuhan, Italy and Iran when their health system became overloaded with high risk infected patients. All those hospital beds are used up. That means that routine emergencies for normal people suddenly become critical because all the hospital beds are taken up by flu patients. All this is being done to spread out the infection rate over a longer time so it doesn’t overwhelm the hospital system. They know it is coming, so they are trying to stay ahead of what could be the worse case scenario. It won’t change the central fact though, that eventually most people are going to be exposed to this over the next 12-24 months.
Since it’s France we’re talking about, how about stores that sell soap? :P
(sorry, couldn’t resist. The Devil made me do it. :P )
The charts, maps, etc, I, and others have posted are based on the best available data from JHU, CDC, WHO, NIH, etc.
It's the in-depth analysis by armchair experts that one needs to be very wary of, from what I've seen.
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