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Trump faces revolt of the generals
CNN ^ | February 13, 2020 | Peter Bergen

Posted on 02/14/2020 6:21:52 AM PST by artichokegrower

Retired Marine Gen. John Kelly said at an event at Drew University on Wednesday that Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman did the right thing when he raised concerns about President Donald Trump's call to the Ukrainian president in late July, according to a report in The Atlantic.

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KEYWORDS: marines; marinesactivated; trusttheplan
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To: polymuser

You take the oath when you receive your commission, you are literally, a commissioned officer of the United States. When you retire, you no longer hold any commission, you have certain retirement benefits and, by courtesy, your title. You are no longer bound by the oath. No different than a President or a Senator. Not part of the government any more.


61 posted on 02/14/2020 7:55:48 AM PST by centurion316 (.)
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To: polymuser; centurion316
My oath did not, the legal reason: all former service members are subject to recall to active duty:

"https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-70/pdf/STATUTE-70A-Pg1.pdf"

this is the relevant US Code.
62 posted on 02/14/2020 8:00:36 AM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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To: PGalt
You do know why they call us the great satan, right? Hint: who do they call the little satan?

Their POV is that we're a country comprised of cattle, managed to benefit a small minority. With control of media/finance, it's easy to manipulate and direct the great masses of people.

Goebbels' favorite author laid it all out - he happened to head up the US WWI propaganda campaign:

If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.

63 posted on 02/14/2020 8:03:23 AM PST by semantic
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To: DoodleDawg

This is all posturing & self advertising! They’re telling us they are available for roles of defense advisors for Rat candidates or post-Trump Rat & GOP candidates.


64 posted on 02/14/2020 8:05:08 AM PST by Reily
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To: artichokegrower

Revolt of the Obama Generals


65 posted on 02/14/2020 8:05:33 AM PST by rhinohunter (I have nothing but disdain for liberals. Their tears fill me with delight...)
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To: txnativegop

Thx, will look in it. Seems to be a misunderstood thing...


66 posted on 02/14/2020 8:06:14 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Lumper20

I remember female ‘owners’ in the 70s. ALL were either given 50% by hubby or hubby died.
After construction companies made Blacks ‘owner/pres’ to get govt jobs enough hell was raised to make ‘others’ eligible.


67 posted on 02/14/2020 8:09:06 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: xrmusn

8a Corps to get Gov Contracts.


68 posted on 02/14/2020 8:36:54 AM PST by Lumper20 (Our Congress must be stripped of FERS and their AFGE union insurance)
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To: artichokegrower

Retired Marine Gen. John Kelly said at an event at Drew University on Wednesday that Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman did the right thing when he raised concerns about President Donald Trump’s call to the Ukrainian president in late July, according to a report in The Atlantic.


Let’s take that to be true for the purposes of the argument.

It still says nothing good about Vindman’s countermand to the Ukrainians, and even less about Vindman’s leaking classified information.


69 posted on 02/14/2020 8:37:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: artichokegrower

Kelly was, is and will remain disloyal to this president and to a free America. He clearly believes that he, not Trump, should have the power of the presidency.


70 posted on 02/14/2020 8:41:53 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: lurk

Not all officers are politicians but 95% of the officers who make it to senior ranks ARE politicians who checked the right blocks and had sponsors who brought them up. Some were leaders when they were younger, some not, but all found the political route.

The 95% of the regular officer corps are doing the work of leading troops and many are passionate about being at the mission level. Most of these do not care to play the political games and know the difference between a Popsicle and a dick. Many are former enlisted who obtained a commission and many developed a love of mission accomplishment and leading men. True leaders, not political leaders. They are the ones who generally retire in the ranks of Major through possibly Colonel.


71 posted on 02/14/2020 8:43:51 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: artichokegrower

This is a ‘revolt’ of retired generals. At least they are retired and not on active duty.


72 posted on 02/14/2020 8:48:12 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Call all these losers back to active duty...then, bust them to private and discharge them dishonorably. What seditious degenerates.


73 posted on 02/14/2020 9:03:35 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp???)
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To: MNJohnnie

“But I guess rules are optional when you are more politician then General.”

With one exception - who left as a one-star - every general I met was 90% politician and less than 10% military officer!


74 posted on 02/14/2020 9:10:28 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Lumper20
Clinton’s COED BCT started the trashing of our military.

This started under Carter not Bubba. I started my BCT @ Ft Jackson in August '77. We were told that we were the last non-COED cycle. We had no females, the cycles behind US were not so lucky. It may have started elsewhere sooner, I don't know. Bubba may have had a hand in spreading it to the other Services?

75 posted on 02/14/2020 10:00:04 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Is it time Claire?)
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CNN is ATT pissing on its conservative subscribers every damn day


76 posted on 02/14/2020 10:02:33 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: windsorknot

>> This is DNCNN.

In reality, it’s ATT


77 posted on 02/14/2020 10:03:42 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: txnativegop
all former service members are subject to recall to active duty:

I know that. I was subject to that, but I am no longer. The period of time has varied over the years. There are other restrictions, but most concern government jobs and are short term, for one year or less. Even when you are subject to recall, the limitations are few. One guy that I know became the Minister of Defense for a Baltic country, although he needed to get DoD permission to do it. If you retain a security clearance, the standard caveats also apply.

78 posted on 02/14/2020 10:15:25 AM PST by centurion316 (.)
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To: AndyJackson

DONALD! You magnificent bastard!!


79 posted on 02/14/2020 11:02:46 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: semantic

Yeah, I know. GREAT quote. Thanks, semantic. I had not seen that one before.


80 posted on 02/14/2020 11:52:32 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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