Posted on 02/13/2020 1:25:44 PM PST by yesthatjallen
So basically, you want to dictate how the President should perform his job, and how he should conduct himself on social media. That’s the same thing the Democrats have been trying for the past 3+ years. Have fun.
Apparently, everyone is free to comment on the Stone case except for POTUS. Interesting theory.
Stone was appearing before a GOP controlled committee. He had no reason to fear a perjury trap or that they would refer him for prosecution in any case.
Yours are the most thoughtful posts on this thread. (Although with the volume of chest-thumping and feces-flinging going on here, I’m afraid that may amount to damning with faint praise.)
Another zottable comment. Have fun at the DUmp. You’ll be there soon.
He needs to explain how it "undermines" him doing his job, and how it "undermines" the people working under his supervision doing their jobs. Obviously comments about the Roger Stone case from other people on Twitter, etc., or from the liberal media don't "undermine" him or the total DOJ...just the President's comments.
That's easy. I makes the prosecution of any of Trumps perceived enemies look illegitimate and the result of Trump's criticism, not the rule of law.
Regardless of the facts.
It adds a new hurdle for the department and the prosecutors.
Barr clip seen on Fox Business/News tonight. This mind unable to determine: Scripted second act; improvisation? Whichever, it certainly has d’rats panties in a wet wad.
It’s The Hill. Probably not true.
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I believe it was this foolish tweet that caused A.G. Barr to say it was making it "impossible for me to do my job".
DJT is great, and so far he has TRULY saved this country, BUT, these childish impetuous tweets must be eliminated.
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And, as an aside, his overwrought and juvenile reaction in his tweets concerning Bloomberg make him look like an over reacting child.
Beyond everything, I'm just afraid that his overreaction to Bloomberg and to the "Justice" department are a symptom of other events that he may know about and we do not know about as yet.
Maybe there are other pressures in his life of which we have not become aware.
God bless DJT. More than ever we need him strong.
fortunately, you don’t matter
“fortunately, you don’t matter”
Qball and his band of brain dead sycophants matter even less.
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Really? When you testify under oath? It doesn't matter who controls the committee. You don't testify with a competent attorney present.
There is a lot of truth in what you said. Barr presents well, but how much of his job is to contain Trump and prevent any real damage to the Deep State. No indictments of any significant coup plotter. No declassification of FISA documents. The clock is running out. Barr is just as bad as Sessions, but he talks a better game.
The witness intimidation was certainly a charge which may have gone either way. He clearly intimidated the witness by any normal meaning of the term, but the witness claims he was ineffective, in that the witness did not actually believe the physical threats. Physical threats are not the only type of intimidation and tampering — telling him to plead the 5th was also a form of tampering. It was wrong for the prosecutors to take this intimidation and use it to increase the requested sentence, and this is the thing Barr modified.
He definitely lied to congress. Most of the cases are not really contested; his “argument”, as it were, was to claim that his lies were not off-point to the questions asked. He didn’t testify, nor did he have others testify, that what he said was actually the truth, he just played the tape of his testimony, and argued it appears that it was more like opinion than fact.
His biggest clear lie was that he claimed NO CONTACT with trump or the campaign. Donald Trump himself submitted a sworn response that he did have contact with Stone, so if stone was not lying, it would mean Trump was lying.
Stone did not HAVE to tell any of these lies; he thought he was helping, but lying is not really helpful, and it was all stuff that didn’t matter. There is no crime in getting information from Wikileaks and using it — the crime, if any, is how Wikileaks got it, and there was no connection between Trump and Wikileaks in that regard.
I can imagine a new trial that might find him guilty on only 4 or 5 of the 7 charges, and a recommendation for a much lower sentence.
More likely, and hopeful, is that the judge does the right thing, throws out the conviction because of the tainted juror, and the justice department and Stone reach a plea deal.
The guilt of many other people, and the lack of prosecution for people known to have lied about consequential things both to congress and investigators, does not unfortunately mitigate the lies that Stone told — lies that actually made things worse for Trump. If Stone had told the truth to congress, he would not be getting prosecuted, and the media/democrats would have one less chance to say “Look Trump associated with a convicted person”
Don’t get me wrong — while I believe Stone lied, his lies were inconsequential in the end; his actions were the actions of as you said a blow-hard, and he could easily have been sentenced to time served. But he was not “innocent”, and his lies made things worse for Trump, so I am not as excited to see him pardoned as others. I would not be upset at all if he was found not guilty by a jury who decided he was just an old man acting important, and that the crimes were not worth the effort of charging him.
No problem. Great minds think alike. :)
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