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Public school district in Arizona REQUIRING parents to sign “safe gun storage” form
mom-at-arms.com ^ | 2/11/2020 | Joe Dana

Posted on 02/13/2020 11:22:17 AM PST by rktman

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To: piytar

If someone thinks their child or guest is a bit unstable, they should store their guns with a close neighbor, and have that neighbor on speed-dial. In case the neighbor might be slow, arm yourselves with blades or something. And never tell snoopers anything.


101 posted on 02/13/2020 12:48:53 PM PST by Bethaneidh
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To: gunnut

The courts have also ruled that felons don’t have to fill out the form as it would violate their 5th Amendment rights.

It’s only used to harass the lawful.


102 posted on 02/13/2020 12:53:24 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Magnum44
You have to download the student handbook to see the reality. Too much speculation raising peoples blood pressure here. Get the facts.

OK, I presume you downloaded the current student handbook which was produced in September of 2019. That's the version of the student handbook linked to by the article, and as far as I can tell the latest version from the school district.

The meeting where the school board voted to add a new "secure storage" notification happened "last week" or more particularly on February 6th, 2020.

So how is reading the old student handbook from 2019 relevant to the content that the school board voted to add in February 2020?

Did you even read the posted article?

103 posted on 02/13/2020 12:56:56 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: rktman

Gun?

What is a ‘gun’.

Depends on what the meaning of ‘gun’ is.

cause (an engine) to race.
“as Neil gunned the engine the boat jumped forward”

muscular arms; well-developed biceps muscles.
“it’s encouraging to note that Schwarzenegger wasn’t born with massive guns”

OR maybe they mispelled GUMS. Like, gumming your food, or old people only have gums.


104 posted on 02/13/2020 12:58:13 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: Scrambler Bob
OR maybe they mispelled GUMS.

Safe Gum Storage ...


105 posted on 02/13/2020 1:00:33 PM PST by BlueLancer (Orchides Forum Trahite - Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: rktman

The school district COULD only include in the Student Handbook a report on commonsense safe gun storage practices and hazards that can occur sometimes when common sense safe gun storage practices are not used. And it could require ONLY a parental signing that the parent has read the Student Handbook itself, without addressing any special part of the handbook.

But I think the courts could, and well should, deny the school any right that a parent MUST sign any specific form stating their AGREEMENT with any aspect of the handbook; that would be beyond mere acknowledgment they have read it.


106 posted on 02/13/2020 1:01:16 PM PST by Wuli
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To: freeandfreezing

After all the hyper-ventilation on this thread, yes I did read it all.

Relevant is that according to Arizona law (refernced in the handbook), the board must get the parents permission to ask about any thing gun related. So, again, I dont see any down side to providing parent (who may be ignorant themselves) as to how to properly secure guns from unauthorized persons or minors. There is no legal obligation to sign anything here. The law trumps whatever the school board may send out.


107 posted on 02/13/2020 1:02:03 PM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: al baby

Yup,simply NO and more specifically F-No. So what are they going to do?


108 posted on 02/13/2020 1:12:14 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: gunnut

Not sure how they are going to make anyone sign. The courts have ruled that a public education is a right so they can go pound sand.


Our district tried something like this one year. It was a family pledge to fight drug an alcohol abuse. They didn’t (couldn’t) make anyone sign, but if you didn’t return the form, your kid didn’t get an asterisk next to their name in the student directory. Those who returned the form got the asterisk.

Our kids weren’t even listed in the directory because we opted out altogether.

Only about 10% of those in the directory had the asterisk.


109 posted on 02/13/2020 1:14:58 PM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: rktman

“An organization of moms...” pfffffftttt, that’s when I stopped reading. Pure communistic infiltration that there!


110 posted on 02/13/2020 1:16:58 PM PST by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
about 10% of those in the directory had the asterisk.


111 posted on 02/13/2020 1:18:36 PM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Magnum44

Haha... believe me. We gave one dad quite a razzing over it. He claimed his wife signed and returned the form without his knowledge.


112 posted on 02/13/2020 1:28:41 PM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: Wuli
But I think the courts could, and well should, deny the school any right that a parent MUST sign any specific form stating their AGREEMENT with any aspect of the handbook; that would be beyond mere acknowledgment they have read it.

Look again. Given the state of pedagogy in the US for the past several decades, and the numerous languages of immigrants, both legal and illegal, there is no evidence that they can demand any signature attesting that parents have read anything—because the parents could be incapable of reading the handbook, paperwork, or included announcements due to illiteracy or language limitations—only that they have received it, and even then they’d be on legal thin ice: how would the illiterate parents know they needed to sign and return an acknowledgment they’d received it? Circular logic.

113 posted on 02/13/2020 1:44:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: rktman

Wonder how many forms will be signed illegibly by Bozo the Clown?


114 posted on 02/13/2020 2:01:47 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: rktman

GFY is the proper response.


115 posted on 02/13/2020 2:16:17 PM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: shanover

I’d say YES my weapon is safely in my shoulder holster.


116 posted on 02/13/2020 2:19:10 PM PST by oldasrocks (Heavily Medicated for your Protection.)
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To: rktman

Utterly unconstitutional.

I would refuse to sign it, then let them prohibit my kid from attending a PUBLIC school, and then sue the bastards for violating my civil rights under color of authority (Title 42, Section 1983). The officials in question would have PERSONAL liability, per the statute. Since it is federal law, sue them in District Court. Regardless of the outcome, it goes to the Circuit Court and then becomes a very big deal. Possibly it goes to the Supremes.


117 posted on 02/13/2020 2:34:56 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: kidd

By replying, you’re playing their game (and, as a bonus, getting your name on yet another list).

I wouldn’t sign it, and hope and pray that they refused to allow my kid to attend school. That lawsuit for violation of my civil rights would make for a nice retirement.


118 posted on 02/13/2020 2:40:31 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: DesertRhino

“Moms Demand Action” - yeah, isn’t that a catagory on certain websites? :>)


119 posted on 02/13/2020 2:43:11 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: rktman; All

It would make more sense to make them sign a ‘safe illegal
drugs storage’ form


120 posted on 02/13/2020 2:59:13 PM PST by notdownwidems (Washington D.C. has become the enemy of free people everywhere!)
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