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“One of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed” (puke)
Patheos (and pathetic it is) ^ | FEBRUARY 8, 2020 | DAN PETERSON

Posted on 02/10/2020 12:30:42 AM PST by robowombat

“One of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed”

FEBRUARY 8, 2020 BY DAN PETERSON

From a recent article by the superb conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg:

I have criticized—and defended—Mitt Romney many times. But the effort, admittedly mostly from the worst goons, buffoons, and satraps of Trumpism, to describe him as a person of low character in defense of President Trump is one of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed. Has Romney at times been calculating? Of course. He’s a politician. But the suggestion that he is not an honest or decent man because he was “disloyal” to such a profoundly dishonest and indecent man is an exercise in mobbish immorality and the madness of crowds. And by the way, all of these gibbons and poltroons yammering on about how he was disloyal never seem to dwell on the question of why Trump should demand his loyalty in the first place? What does Romney owe Donald Trump? What trust or bond has he “betrayed”? Romney wasn’t elected because of Donald Trump.

If you honestly would prefer your children grow up to be more like Donald Trump than Mitt Romney, I don’t know that there’s anything left to talk about. Watch his actual speech on the floor. I have no problem with people who disagree with his reasoning. But to come away thinking he’s anything other than a man molded by charactering-building institutions (his family, his church, the Senate itself) who is trying to do right by them strikes me as a kind of Trump-personality-cult derangement. And speaking of the d-word, last week I noted the effort to bend all of conservatism and the Republican Party to the cause of personal loyalty to Donald Trump was a form of intellectual corruption. This week we saw it could actually get worse. The hysterics insisting that Romney must be kicked out of the GOP—an effort Mitch McConnell sees for the idiocy it is—are in effect arguing that you can vote for all of Trump’s judges and the vast bulk of his legislative initiatives and it counts for nothing if you don’t accept full baptism into his cult of personality.

I’ve been saying for 20 years that the cult of unity is a poison and that the hero in the American political tradition is not the mob, but the man who stands up to it. This week there was one hero and it wasn’t Donald Trump.


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To: Brooklyn Attitude

With a shout out by Obama and others at the Acadamy Awards last night, it is derangement. It is a deliberate attempt of communists to try to overthrow the government.

Democrats = Communists

It isn’t a secret any longer. People who say there are moderate Democrats are only fooling themselves. They vote in lock step with one another.


41 posted on 02/10/2020 4:25:28 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: robowombat
I’ve been saying for 20 years that the cult of unity is a poison …


https://www.google.com/search?ei=G05BXt3eE4iMtAaIq5q4DA&q=i+am+a+mormon+campaign&oq=I+am+a+mormon&gs_l=psy-ab.1.4.0l10.7409.8990..12646...0.2..0.294.967.0j4j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i22i30j0i22i10i30.qZUvEhAQQZc

42 posted on 02/10/2020 4:36:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: McGavin999
...is one of the ugliest political spectacles I have ever witnessed.


I just HATE it when stuff like this occurs!


 
Orson Pratt proclaimed:
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer).  
Page 273 found HERE LINK
More confusion:  LINK
 

Questions put to Joseph Smith:
"'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119). 
Found in section 3 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 119)
 
 
"for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12).
Found here --->  LINK
 
"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Found in section 5 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 270)
 
 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses Section 5 page 73);
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  Section  8 page 171);
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses Section  8 page 199);
"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses Section 10  page 230).
"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses Section  6 page 24);
 
 
 
 

Orson Pratt also said:
"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18, page 44);
"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18 page 172).

 
President John Taylor stated:
"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , Section 6 page 167);
"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , Section 10 page 127).
 

 
James Talmage said:
"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 

 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said:
"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).
"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 

 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:
"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);
"a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.123);
"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.250);
"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.290).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said:
"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).  <-- can't find an onlink link, but there ARE a lot of hard copy books for sale tha tinclude this quote.
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated:
"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses Section 2, page 196).

43 posted on 02/10/2020 4:39:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

https://youtu.be/9D5SHA0fRRY


44 posted on 02/10/2020 4:44:04 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: bone52
How do you get that he is a church mouthpiece.

Well; the Dan Peterson blog is a Mormon themed website.

I'll have to check out this Jonah Goldberg.

45 posted on 02/10/2020 4:45:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: robowombat

Jonah thinks President Trump should be removed from office? There’s nothing left to say about that milk toast.


46 posted on 02/10/2020 4:45:23 AM PST by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: robowombat

All you have to do is remember ‘Romney Care’ to know that Mitt’s One of Them.

Case closed. Jonah is over his skis.


47 posted on 02/10/2020 4:47:52 AM PST by IncPen ("Inside of every progressive is a Totalitarian screaming to get out" ~ David Horowitz)
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To: robowombat

In speaking about his upbringing, Goldberg has said that his mother is an Episcopalian and that his father was Jewish and that he was raised Jewish.

Nothing Mormonish here.

Since the tactics of Mormonism are plain - glomming onto all kinds of stuff to build into their religion - it appears that they just found another tool to bash someone who has bashed one of their’s.


48 posted on 02/10/2020 4:51:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oscar in Batangas
Supposedly there is an ancient mormon prophesy relating to one of the ‘saints’ saving America.

References for you...

49 posted on 02/10/2020 4:53:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: robowombat
They seem to be about a step away from being dems

The "GOP vs the 'dems'" clown show is no longer the appropriate way to understand your world.

50 posted on 02/10/2020 4:55:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Oscar in Batangas
Speculation is about that Mitt heard his name called to fulfill it.

A blast from the past...

Fake news or not?


  

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
 
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
 
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tidy, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to clean up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
Tommy M.
 
Onward to 2016!!!

51 posted on 02/10/2020 4:57:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GregH

“They couldn’t bring themselves to condemn Romney’s action instead rather praised him for standing on his principles.”

People seem to always admire someone for “standing on his principles” when they are aligned or agree with such principles. The local UT GOP leaders who say that about Romney would never say the same about Trump.

It doesn’t matter which side of the aisle one sits - one can easily that the demonkraps all should have voted for conviction and all the GOP should have voted for acquittal - the impeachment was nothing but pure partisan politics. Then there is Romney - he has a screw loose upstairs, if he has any upstairs - as he “prayerfully” found the lack of evidence enough to vote for conviction, after he said he needed to hear from witnesses.


52 posted on 02/10/2020 4:57:44 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot
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To: GregH
It is because of their distorted faith Mormonism and the respect for Romney as a Mormon leader.

As well as THIS:





 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



53 posted on 02/10/2020 5:00:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Just look at those in the House who voted for impeachment. All of the Democrats. That is the cult of unity. Conform or be cast out.

Likewise...

Just look at those in the Clinton impeachment who voted AGAINST impeachment. All of the Democrats. That is the cult of unity. Conform or be cast out.

54 posted on 02/10/2020 5:01:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Louis Foxwell
These are holy authorities, gods in waiting, Tin Angels.


 According to the Plan of Salvation, under the direction of God the Father, Jehovah (the premortal Jesus) created the earth as a place where humanity would be tested. After the resurrection, all men and women—except the spirits that followed Lucifer and the sons of perdition—would be assigned one of three degrees of glory. Within the highest degree, the celestial kingdom, there are three further divisions, and those in the highest of these celestial divisions would become gods and goddesses through a process called "exaltation" or "eternal progression". The doctrine of eternal progression was succinctly summarized by LDS Church leader Lorenzo Snow: "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be."[2][3] According to Smith's King Follett discourse, God the Father himself once passed through mortality as Jesus did, but how, when, or where that took place is unclear. The prevailing view among Mormons is that God once lived on a planet with his own higher god.[4][5]
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology 

55 posted on 02/10/2020 5:09:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Louis Foxwell
They are pretentious and supercilious with an air of superiority that renders them worthless as mere mortals.


 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

56 posted on 02/10/2020 5:10:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD

“With a shout out by Obama and others at the Acadamy Awards last night, it is derangement.”

You shouldn’t lump Jonah Goldberg in with the Hollywood deranged communists. He is a conservative never Trumper. Although never Trumper derangement looks superficially similar to Leftist Trump derangement they have different causes. Leftists hate Trump because his policies stand in the way of turning America into a Communist utopia. Never Trumper derangement is based on Trump being rude, crude, lacking the necessary dignity, class and generally being “unpresidential”. Trump is the skunk at the garden party. It doesn’t matter that he has accomplished more conservative goals in 3 years than the “Country Club Republicans” have in their entire careers. He embarrasses them.


57 posted on 02/10/2020 5:10:39 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's no coincidence that the DemocRAT/media complex always sides with America's enemies.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods,  because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

58 posted on 02/10/2020 5:11:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: School of Rational Thought
Pelosi and Romney, both claimed to be acting in the name of God. So did the Spanish Inquisition and others across Europe.

So did the Danites and Porter Rockwell

59 posted on 02/10/2020 5:17:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Ultimately though, the standards Trump actually ends up violating belong to the commies, not the never Trump conservatives.

The never Trump conservatives simply have the follower mentality that has bedeviled the GOP for forty years. They have never learned how to take charge and set their own standards so every game is played on the commies field using commie rules.

Geldings like Goldberg have never figured out that will always be a losing proposition. They would have voted for Jeb, whose entire campaign would have been nothing more than a months long concession speech.


60 posted on 02/10/2020 5:19:34 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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