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The advantage of paying for medical care directly
The Hill ^ | February 8, 2020 | David Balat

Posted on 02/08/2020 12:32:30 PM PST by karpov

According to a PBS health report about a retiree on a Medicare Advantage plan, Z. Ming Ma was issued a prescription from her physician that cost $285 for a 90-day supply. “A month later,” the article says, “Ma and his wife were about to leave on another trip, and Ma needed to stock up on her medication.”

But her 90 days weren’t up, so Anthem wouldn’t cover it. “Ma asked the pharmacist how much it would cost if she got the prescription there and paid out of pocket,” the article says.

The total cash price was about $40.

This is not uncommon. In fact, a study from USC demonstrated that nearly 25 percent of all prescriptions filled at the pharmacy cost the insurer less than what the patient paid in a copay. Yes, that means paying cash is more affordable than using your insurance card.

Over the past several decades in the United States, the health care industry has become increasingly dominated by third-party payers. An individual’s health coverage, whether it is private, Medicare, or Medicaid, can significantly influence health care decision-making — through deciding what it will, and will not, cover.

A health plan can determine which medical professional is seen, which prescription drugs are filled, and even whether a procedure can be done.

Because it increased the power of third-party payers, the Affordable Care Act was essentially a benefit to special interest groups such as insurance companies and other middlemen. The United States health care system hasn’t always been dominated by third-parties but has become distorted from many years of government regulations.

The policy makers forgot about the patients and the medical professionals who provide the care.

The response from both groups has been entirely predictable — and rational.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: healthcare; healthinsurance
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1 posted on 02/08/2020 12:32:30 PM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

If insurance is going to pay, people don’t care what the price is. There is no price-demand pressure on the market.


2 posted on 02/08/2020 12:34:56 PM PST by Fido969 (In!)
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To: karpov

Try the GoodRX app on your phone

I lost my VERY good BC/BC policy, thanks to Obamacare more than quadrupling the premium

I can get 90 days of most of my meds for a fraction of what a 30 day refill costs without it

And it works with or without insurance. Just not if you’re on Medicare/Medicaid, as I understand it


3 posted on 02/08/2020 12:38:44 PM PST by digger48
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To: karpov

It goes both ways on this. Sometimes it costs nothing much above the co-pay (if that), other times, orders of magnitude.

It doesn’t hurt to ask. It also doesn’t hurt to try to stock up on prescription meds, as about 90% of the Americans taking drugs on a regular basis are about to learn, as China’s exports begin to shut down.


4 posted on 02/08/2020 12:40:47 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: karpov
The advantage of paying for medical care directly

How about YOUR CHOICE with YOUR MONEY. What a concept.

As far as insurance goes - any insurance - they ONLY way they can stay in business of course is to make money. Nothing wrong with that.

But to make money, the odds must be in their favor to make money and you to lose money. That is why they pay top dollars to Actuaries to figure all this stuff out. Otherwise, they'd go out of business. Insurance is a game where they're betting for you and you're betting against you.

5 posted on 02/08/2020 12:41:30 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: karpov

ping


6 posted on 02/08/2020 12:43:25 PM PST by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: karpov
(Xeralto making out like bandits....)
7 posted on 02/08/2020 12:44:33 PM PST by yoe (Want to HELP the Slave Trade and Drug Cartels in USA? Vote democrat........)
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To: karpov

Self Insurance is the way to go and is easy for most families to cover unexpected medical costs. All one needs to do is earmark savings each year for each member of your family.


8 posted on 02/08/2020 12:48:20 PM PST by Meatspace
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To: Fido969
But what’s ridiculous is that it’s sometimes cheaper to pay out of pocket even when something IS covered by insurance. Look at the example here, where a prescription costs $285. If the patient has a 20% copay up to an annual maximum, then it’s costing him $57 for the copay even though it would cost $40 if he was NOT insured. WTF?

I was in the office the other day and I overheard a person in the next office talking to an insurance company representative about this exact same thing.

9 posted on 02/08/2020 12:48:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Fido969

But why should it cost more to co-pay than to just pay? That’s nuts.


10 posted on 02/08/2020 12:48:54 PM PST by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: digger48

Just put that app on my phone. Looks good for now !!


11 posted on 02/08/2020 12:49:38 PM PST by ktw (72 ID, Finally Retired after 25 years!)
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To: digger48

There is another program for those around Kroger and it’s affliates. I think it may be conjunction with GoodRX but not sure. You pay a yearly charge and many meds are free and or cheaper than Goodrx without it.

For example, some blood pressure medicines are free for a 90 day supply.


12 posted on 02/08/2020 12:52:38 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: karpov
The advantage of paying for medical care directly...

Just like there are advantages for paying for gas for your car directly.

13 posted on 02/08/2020 12:55:21 PM PST by C210N
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To: karpov

That may be true on some drugs but I just picked up a $241 inhaler for $47 on my medicare advantage program. The previous month I paid cash and it was $241. Now that I met my deductible its $47.


14 posted on 02/08/2020 12:55:50 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: karpov
the Affordable Care Act was essentially a benefit to special interest groups such as insurance companies and other middlemen.

No. Shut your mouth. Obama sponsored the AFFORDABLE care act. He is a god among men. /s

15 posted on 02/08/2020 12:56:28 PM PST by Drango (1776 = 2020)
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To: karpov
the health care industry has become increasingly dominated by third-party payers

America, the land of the rent-seeking, parasitic middlemen.

These tapeworms are effectively printing their own money, donate part of the booty to the DNC, and the DNC promotes politicians who support the tapeworms.

It's an unconscionable racket.

16 posted on 02/08/2020 1:10:27 PM PST by bkopto
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To: Drango
And because he’s a God Among Men, he knows everything...including whether or not insurance is affordable for you. For instance, insurance for hubby and I on Obamacare would’ve been $2000/mo.

I didn’t think I could afford it, but then I realized if I cut our grocery bill from $600/mo to $100, got rid of those pesky pets that were costing us a fortune, and started living in our car, a lot of our problems would be solved.

We wouldn’t have to deal with annoying traffic because we’d be living in our employer’s parking lot; we wouldn’t have to pay onerous utility bills, and showers are overrated anyway; we’d lose weight on our restricted grocery budget; and we’d have less stress in our lives so who needs pets anyway.

Obama was really looking out for Americans because he knew what was best for us.

17 posted on 02/08/2020 1:17:16 PM PST by Prince of Space (Jerry...Jerry...Jerry...)
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To: karpov

I’ve known people who needed non-emergency operations and had no insurance, they got their operations for just a little over the price of most deductibles.


18 posted on 02/08/2020 1:21:40 PM PST by tiki
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Just curious, what is the name?


19 posted on 02/08/2020 1:24:59 PM PST by tiki
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To: RummyChick

Thanks!

Krogers is where most every med I get is the cheapest with GoodRX

I’ll sure check into it


20 posted on 02/08/2020 1:25:10 PM PST by digger48
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