Posted on 02/08/2020 7:05:21 AM PST by Kaslin
So they were looking for an uplifting movie, it was not. Still a very good movie.
‘Fleck’s life became increasingly dire, as the narrative pulls away any remaining reasons to care about him or those around him.’
Basic empathy.
One of the movie’s highlights was when the Joker blew away Robert De Niro’s manipulative gameshow host character.
It was a great movie and gave an understanding about one possible origin of the Joker as to why he became what he became.
We did not enjoy the movie at all. Completely depressing. And watching Phoenix accepting the awards so far, I can only think he wasn’t actually acting, the role was close to his personality.
I don’t really care for Joaquin Phoenix, and the “Joker” is so satanic that it’s hard to imagine the package would be entertaining. More like revolting or repulsive.
I enjoyed the movie in spite of it all. There were some scenes that were genuinely hilarious, and I’m sure they were meant to be. I don’t think the audience I saw it with was on the same wavelength though. A couple parts tickled me so much I burst out laughing and then realized I was the only one doing so. Awkward experience to say the least. Felt like the guy in the movie.
To me it could have been a good movie if it wasn’t suppose to be “the joker”. The joker is the clown prince of crime. He invented a gas that kills people and leaves them with a rigor mortis grin from ear to ear. He plans elaborate criminal schemes that would be successful without the interference of Batman.
Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker couldn’t plan a lunch date never mind inventing a lethal nerve agent. The joker is another installment in Warner Bro’s long line of not staying true to the DC characters. But now that this was so successful we are just going to get more of it. And that is truly a twisted joke.
I’d like to watch just that scene :)
...Todd Phillips, best known for the puerile but hysterical “The Hangover,”...
Boy I’m not prude to say the least but I thought it was trashy garbage.
I heard he had sex with a “transexual” in one of the sequels. Doesn’t get any classier than that.
Phoenix was a good bad guy in Gladiator.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this. Phoenix’s Joker is too stupid to be the real Joker.
For all of millennia no story has been retold in which the protagonist is the villain. It does not work mathematically, logically.
Until this time in history since the sixties when people decided to become divine, ruling over procreation.
Harry Potter, Wicked.
Hollywood can produce it, give out awards. But no one will talk about any of these so-called stories.
They cannot control that. they try to, in so doing, they mess with developing minds. It contributes to despair and rising suicide rates
There’s a reason that on the cheesy movie channels 20, 30 and 40 year old movies replay.
Jaws, Speed, Shooter, Overboard, The Dark Knight
These stories have necessary elements. Not just good acting, sets, scores, editing
The stories have all the elements of either a boy-directed fairy tale, or Greek/Roman classic.
Villains Are antagonist by definition. They cannot carry a story as a protagonist.
And I know others still who say life without Christians hanging around, desperate to prove their piety, would hardly be hellish.
To those people, I would point to the Joker's Gotham City as a demonstration of life without God and his influence.
That movie demonstrated what life without a hint of goodness or God's influence would look like.
I walked away from that movie (streamed it on TV) with a clear sense that I had not only glimpsed hell out of the corner of my eye, but realized that hell is not a static, fixed place or state of being. It is a place in transition. It is a place of ever increasing bleakness.
I got the clear impression that the sign to Gotham City read "Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter Here."
So his big complaint is that the character was interpreted in a very different way?
Like Ebenezer Scrooge?
Dracula (vampires)?
Why pay good money to watch a depressing dark movie? You get local news for free!
Art imitates life (and vice versa).
This would imply that our ‘entertainment’ reflects the state of our society. Right now our society is about 100 times worse than the townspeople of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Maybe that’s why it left many with a disappointing attitude.
Well.... the Joker is a white male, and according to the MSM, white males are morons. So there may have been a reason to have cast him as psychotic and unskilled.
When I am confronted with such reactions to a new movie, I always think back to MST3K.
It’s JUST a MOVIE,so RELAX. Just because it doesn’t fit one’s self-imaged view of who should play a part, or how they should play it, or whether the hero wins in 90 minutes really doesn’t matter.
That reason is the same one that explains why the advertising people have used the same ads in the magazines for 20-40 years.
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