Posted on 02/08/2020 12:00:25 AM PST by cba123
Meanwhile:
China doing 'very professional job' against coronavirus: Trump US President Donald Trump has said China is doing a "very professional job" in combating the coronavirus.
Trump said he had discussed the crisis with Chinese President Xi Jinping in a "very good" phone call late on Thursday and added that the US and China were "working together" on the issue.
Sorry that did not seem clear from the article.
The coronavirus, for whatever reason, has (this far anyway) been primarily expanding in China.
Though that could change rapidly, at any time.
Sorry the title in this case is from the first paragraph, as it much more accurately portrays what is in the article.
Sorry.
Mods I know, the title is the title. I know.
Just made this one exception, in this one case.
Please delete if that is unacceptable.
722 is a lot. But at least five times that died from flu in China over the same time.
It’s interesting only one death outside China
722 is just officially released numbers. I don’t think China would build a pre-fabbed hospital in 10 days and lock thousands into their homes to die over such a comparatively low number.
I don’t look at the released numbers. Their actions tell me that it’s more serious than they are admitting.
“I don’t look at the released numbers. Their actions tell me that it’s more serious than they are admitting.”
That makes the discrepancy between China and the rest of the world in the severity of the epidemic even greater, if true.
it took 8 months and then some to get to the SARs numbers of 774. Five weeks with Wuhan coronavirus to get to 722. It’s going to be a long haul if we have to wait this one out until July:
November 2002—July 2003 - 8,098 probable SARS cases, 29 countries reported to WHO
July 2003-Winter 2004 - a few one-off deaths, researchers and/or consumption of wild meat
Winter of 2004/Spring 2005 - gone
Yeah you see the ‘professionalism’ in cable news clips showing individuals being treated in hospitals - looks clean and western professional - but meanwhile the reality is:
From a video posted by Travis McGee
People are forcibly removed from their homes by men in hazmat suits;
people are literally thrown onto the bed of a flatbed truck and taken to a quarantine station;
quarantine stations are run by the PLA;
quarantine stations only allow people in, not out;
quarantine stations are not hospitals;
there are no ‘appliances’;
there are no bathrooms;
toilets are outside 200 meters away, but people cannot leave the building;
there are no medicines;
everyone sleeps next to everyone else - only a foot or so of separation between beds;
no partitions - no privacy;
no doctors;
no nurses;
only ramen for food.
3 provinces locked down;
150 million people quarantined;
63 cities locked down;
Forced detainment off ALL infected or suspected to camps
Chinese infected young woman’s sentiment: I’d rather die at home then go to a quarantine camp.
The joys of tyranny ...
Remember,
there is nothing to worry about,
10,000 people die every year in the USA of flu,
Its just the flu ...
I and another here figured out that a city like Wusan with 11 million people would have had about 256 flu deaths from the normal flu since December.
The prefab hospitals are for internal political consumption and to not lose face with the west.
The reality is most people with a fever of suspected of having a fever are forcibly removed by the PLA in hazmat suits and taken to a PLA camp from which there is no exit, except death. The camps are just large rooms with people in beds crammed in like sardines - no doctors, no nurses, no medicines, no privacy, no toilets (except the one outside 200 meters away, which they cannot use), and ramen for food. Nothing else.
no one calls out their army, destroys 5% of their economy, uses forced relocation, etc, over a mild flu outbreak.
99% of what is being reported on TV is just CCP propaganda, including the numbers.
Using American death rates (0.8% of total popluation), the number of “natural” or typical deaths in Wuhan, population 11 million would be about 250 EACH DAY.
To close a city like this over 250 in a month (or a few weeks) would be crazy.
So, if you usually have 250 dead in a day, what number makes you close a city of 11 million? Another 10 people a day? 20? 200? (Today I read that 400 million Chinese are under quarantine/lockdown. USA population is ~ 340 million.)
We spent four hours in the ER with my husband last night. I carry anti-viral masks so we put them on as soon as we went in. Half the people in the waiting room had them on. I always wear one during flu season but it seemed like more were wearing them this year.
When we went into the triage room to answer health questions and have his BP and temp taken the nurse asked if we had been out of the country in the last 10 months. No. Then she asked if we had been to NY, Chicago, and one other state, maybe NJ and we said no.
My husband had surgery at Vanderbilt on Tuesday for Achalasia. He also has poison oak on his left arm. His arm was swollen yesterday afternoon and when I called Vandy they said take him to the ER to check for a blood clot. Vandy is three hours from us. Anyway, no blood clot, just swelling from the poison oak. All he got was a steroid shot. Now I’ll worry for a week if he picked up anything at the ER. He kept his mask on and I kept rubbing him down with sanitizer so maybe we will escape getting sick. I can stand it but he’ll be back in the hospital if he gets a virus of any kind. He’s 82 and even without the surgery a virus would be bad.
At 774 virus-related over 5 weeks, it’s a bit more than 22 a day deaths. But let me point this out: of the 131 admitted patients in the JAMA study paper, 40 were caregivers. That’s a lot of staff to take out in one hospital in one month. So then you play with numbers like 40 caregivers x Xhospitals x XLocations x XMonths. With a recovery of up to 35 days or more, you’re going to have nursing and doctor and lab people shortages in no time. And how many will charge back into the fire after they recover? We have infection transmission problems, we have disinfection problems and a treatment plan is completely out the window. And that’s enough to close down a city until you find the point of infection or reduce the rate of infection to lower than R1.
Many, many more than that.
Crematoriums are going round the clock- possibly tens of thousands are dead in their homes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/f0ih9g/4chan_user_finds_evidence_of_over_13k_bodies/
This is in a Seattle suburb. I'm sort of nosy enough to go there to see what's up. But, if it means risking getting this thing - I'd rather not. Makes me wonder what is going on. We have a HUGE population of Asians (mostly Chinese) in our area now - within the last 10 years I suppose it has just gone crazy.
I'm not sure whether this is now the Chinese fatalities from the Coronavirus have now hit the Chinese SARS fatalities, or whether this is a true comparison of the two diseases.Bring Out Your DeadIt took SARS 8 months to rack up that toll. This is month 2 of 2019-nCoV.
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.
I think it’s worse and more serious than we are being told. I’m in a small rural town in TN and they are asking those questions and passing out masks if you don’t have one.
And the residents of Wuhan are now required to report their temperature to the authorities daily.
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