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U.S. set good tone by ending military draft
Corvallis Gazette Times ^ | Jan 2 2020 | Paul F. deLespinasse

Posted on 01/06/2020 12:11:36 PM PST by rintintin

To his eternal credit, Richard Nixon helped end America's draft. Congress responded to his President's Commission on an All-Volunteer Armed Force by discontinuing the draft in 1973.

The United States has set an example that we should encourage other countries to copy.

The commission's report noted that the draft:

"has been a costly, inequitable, and divisive procedure for recruiting men for the armed forces. It has imposed heavy burdens on a small minority of young men while easing slightly the tax burden on the rest of us.

"It has introduced needless uncertainty into the lives of all our young men. It has burdened draft boards with painful decisions about who shall be compelled to serve and who shall be deferred.

"It has weakened the political fabric of our society and impaired the delicate web of shared values that alone enables a free society to exist."

(Excerpt) Read more at gazettetimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: draft; draftregistration; thedraft
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To: riverdawg

I guess with all those Rosies, at work they needed all they could find to replace the few guys who were drafted? All my relatives who served in WW II were drafted. HS grads were drafted. MY father was drafted but he was just passed 45, by a couple of months. I don’t recall to many volunteers on my block, then again I was from Bernie’s and Chuckie’s neighborhood where the word for soldier was schmuck. Dec. 21 1962, “Greetings from the President of the USA.” Nice Christmas present. But it turned out well in the end. I’d do it all over again if I could. MY God father was a in the USMC in 45’, and he was drafted. “Once the U.S. entered WWII, draft terms extended through the duration of the fighting. By the end of the war in 1945, 50 million men between eighteen and forty-five had registered for the draft and “10 million” had been inducted in the military.” 14 million and 10M of it were draftees??? Force multipliers are great on paper, but someone has to occupy the territory gained. The need for 14M may arise again, and its better to be prepared for it than wait till the last moment.


81 posted on 01/06/2020 4:46:57 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft ( #ReasonableDemocratsforTrump. Where are you?)
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To: rintintin

Who the F wrote this stupid article. Sounds like a San Francisco hippie of the 70’s.


82 posted on 01/06/2020 5:22:34 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: rintintin
My father was drafted in 1944, and was preparing to be in the invasion of Japan. Fortunately the invasion wasn't needed. I served 22 years on active duty, finally retiring from the Air Force. That included 19 months in Southeast Asia. My younger brother served a full career in the Marines, including a tour in Vietnam. During a major war a draft may be needed, but other than that I think the volunteer system is best. All the volunteers I served with were high quality people.
83 posted on 01/06/2020 6:21:16 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

My father was a lathe operator in a shipyard during WWII. For three years, he begged the draft board to take him, but they just laughed. In late 1944, they finally let him join the Navy Reserve but told him he wasn’t going anywhere.

Approximately 18 million men and women served in the US military during WWII. About 7 million (nearly 40%) were volunteers. A disproportionate fraction of the inductees in 1944 and 1945 were draftees for reasons I mentioned earlier.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-us-military-numbers

Back in the 1980s, I did some contract work for the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, on the effectiveness of re-enlistment bonuses on re-enlistment rates. I spoke with many high-ranking officers and civilians) about the all-volunteer army versus the draft. None of them wanted to return to a draft.


84 posted on 01/06/2020 7:26:46 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: SandwicheGuy; brownsfan
I believe your post is misdirected to me. That is not my quote you quoted. Plus, your post itself is gibberish.

Leni

85 posted on 01/06/2020 7:46:28 PM PST by MinuteGal (MAGA !!! MAGA !!! MAGA !!!)
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To: Bruiser 10

Heinlein was a prophet.

L


86 posted on 01/06/2020 7:58:47 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: SandwicheGuy
"Personally I have talked with many men who, looking back, wish they had joined so they could have had that common experience."

It only takes a little will. Probably the first BIG thing I did without my parents permission. Didn't tell them I'd enlisted until the Wednesday before I left. I walked into the County Post Office, in late May, 1970. The Marine Recruiter in his pwetty boo uniform was eating lunch at his desk. Talked to him, signed some forms, gave some references, was told to report to the Chicago induction Center, down town, at 6:00am, 12 June, for a physical. It wasn't that hard.

That morning, I got to watch some little fairy whine that he couldn't go because he had hemorrhoids, and was waving his tighty whites to prove it. I took a written test, maxxed it, (I usually do, on tests.), and about an hour later a bunch of us stood up and took an oath.

The Marine NCO there asked if I wanted to go to MCRD San Diego, tonight, or Parris Island next week. I'd never been to California, so...
The same guy told me that I was in charge of the ten of us going to SD, and that we had a 90 minute layover at LAX. He pointed out two that I was supposed to keep special track of, and they put us on a bus to O'Hare about 3:00. On Continental to LAX, 4 hours, arrived about 8:30, local time. You could still smoke.

My two black kids, Washington and Applewhite, vanished as we hit the concourse. I kept the other eight rounded up, convinced that my career was over before it started. As they announced our flight to San Diego, Washington and Applewhite showed up, with Nipsy Russell, a second tier comic I'd seen on Carson, in tow. He warned us that Marine DIs would punch us in the stomach. I thought he was a lightweight, and we were boarding, so I thanked him for the heads up and herded the cattle aboard.

An hour later, we landed in the dark for another bus ride. It was foggy, and dark. A shape with a Mountie Hat got on the bus and started screaming...

I ran into one of those guys, three years later, for 10 minutes, at LeJeune. He'd been been hit in the face with steel from a motor round, in I Corps. He was finally back on active duty, but we only had a few months left. Never saw him again.

87 posted on 01/07/2020 1:30:13 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: brownsfan

Perhaps - it would also have us supporting a LOT of deadbeats who don’t want to be there and erode morale of those who do want to be there.

Always 2 sides - i was part of the last draft lottery and my number was 300 and they took up to number 62 or so...I joined a year later and spent 24 in uniform and another 15 training those in uniform...


88 posted on 01/07/2020 3:02:57 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: southern rock
Aren't you cute - lucky for you the previous generations had men in them and we aren't speaking German or Japanese.

When a lady walked up to me while I was in uniform and loudly proclaimed "No son of mine will join the Marines", I told her "I Didn't ask my mom to join and when your son is a man, he won't ask you either".

Hopefully your son will be a man even if you never were.

89 posted on 01/07/2020 3:39:02 AM PST by Chainmail (Remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence)
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To: 5th MEB
"NO MILITARY SERVICE, NO VOTE."

What did you do, watch Starship Troopers on Netflix over the weekend? Serious question jarhead, how many Americans are you willing to kill to put that brilliant idea in place?


90 posted on 01/07/2020 12:24:25 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: dirtymac

“Sounds like a San Francisco hippie of the 70’s.”

The article praises Nixon for ending the draft. You call the writer a San Francisco hippie, but I don’t remember hippies liking Nixon.


91 posted on 01/07/2020 2:17:10 PM PST by rintintin
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To: rintintin

You call the writer a San Francisco hippie, but I don’t remember hippies liking Nixon.

******

San Fran hippies like who and what they’re told to like when they’re told to like them/it by their thought bosses, just like every other version of SJW.

NPCs follow programmed scripts, not independent thought.


92 posted on 01/07/2020 2:18:59 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: rintintin

Which I really don’t get. Nixon did a lot of things that the hippies should have loved.

But, to them, Nixon was always associated with HUAC.


93 posted on 01/07/2020 2:20:49 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Nixon didn’t end the draft to appease the hippies, but to appease his own constituency - Middle America, which was tired of having their kids conscripted to be sent to Vietnam.

BTW, Middle America grew tired of George Bush’s war too. That’s what elected Obama, and leaves Bush even today as one of the most unpopular presidents. Trump needs to take note. A war against Iran risks making him a failure like Bush, instead of a success like Reagan, who launched no wars.


94 posted on 01/07/2020 2:25:27 PM PST by rintintin
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To: Garth Tater

Why should people with no skin in the game have a right to tell the ones that do, what they have to do.

And point of fact, only about 40% of people eligible to vote do so anyway.

So I just don’t think I would have to kill all that many.


95 posted on 01/07/2020 4:10:05 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: rintintin

Nixon was a Republican! Democrats do not like or praise Republicans regardless of what they do. George Bush tried for his entire presidency to get the Democrats or the Media to like him. did not work.

Anyway, your point is that one statement refutes the entire truth of my post.


96 posted on 01/07/2020 4:10:15 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: 5th MEB
"So I just don’t think I would have to kill all that many."

You'd have to kill me and I'm more than willing to kill you to keep my right to vote. And then there's my family, many of them military veterans and some of them active duty, that would be quite willing to kill you and yours in defense of the Constitution - you know that thing you swore to defend.

Stick to the heavy lifting Marine and leave the thinking to those that know how to do it.


97 posted on 01/07/2020 4:26:10 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Garth Tater

You are free to disagree.


98 posted on 01/07/2020 6:13:47 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 5th MEB
Yes, I know, and I will, and please, let me know if you ever come up with a way to reconcile that dumb idea of yours with the oath you swore to defend the Constitution. I'd really like to hear all about it if you do.


99 posted on 01/07/2020 9:12:14 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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