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To: Dacula

Contrary to a guided missile, rockets have a arc or trajectory if you prefer that term, and it is possible to use that arc and speed to compute its point of origination.

I read years ago that the military had a means of computing the origin of mortars.

“IF” that is correct, can the US do so?


10 posted on 01/05/2020 11:53:51 AM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: old curmudgeon

You know we can, and this tech is available to our forces in harm’s way.


19 posted on 01/05/2020 11:59:23 AM PST by pacificus
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I used to work at Hughes Aircraft, in Fullerton. In the 80’s, the company made the “FireFinder” radar systems. They located the origin of mortar launches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TPQ-37_Firefinder_radar


24 posted on 01/05/2020 12:01:02 PM PST by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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I read years ago that the military had a means of computing the origin of mortars. “IF” that is correct, can the US do so?

Counter battery radar.

26 posted on 01/05/2020 12:01:45 PM PST by fso301
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They also move the launchers the moment they let fly, so as to avoid becoming crispy critters. Go to a different site, launch again. Always make sure that following the trajectory will cause the retaliation to fall on a mother and children and several puppies and kittens.


38 posted on 01/05/2020 12:04:50 PM PST by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: old curmudgeon

They have the ability to actually destroy you before your rounds even land, but that removes their ability to check for collateral damage risks.

I wish they would just say you shoot you loose and anyone near you better run.


48 posted on 01/05/2020 12:09:13 PM PST by dila813
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Yes we can...but let’s follow OPSEC. We are at war.


49 posted on 01/05/2020 12:09:46 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: old curmudgeon
I read years ago that the military had a means of computing the origin of mortars.

“IF” that is correct, can the US do so?

Yes.

Presenting the Lockheed Martin Counter Battery Radar:


50 posted on 01/05/2020 12:09:59 PM PST by Bon mots
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Counterbattery radar has been a thing since WW2, it’s even automated now. The question is whether counterbattery fire is authorized or in range of our artillery, not whether we can return fire.


57 posted on 01/05/2020 12:13:32 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Twent years ago, the us had the tech to pinpoint the launch site and the destination from the first few seconds of launch... decades ago... I am sure we are ready for any mullah ballistics


60 posted on 01/05/2020 12:14:12 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world)
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I can assure you that triangulating the origin or mortars and rockets is very simple and it’s tech that has been in the field for a long time.


66 posted on 01/05/2020 12:16:53 PM PST by Levy78
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Its called “counter battery fire” using “counter battery radar”. The U.S. had this before Iraq invaded Kuwait.


69 posted on 01/05/2020 12:20:56 PM PST by Widget Jr
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counter-battery radars intercept the incoming rounds and calculate the launch point. (I used to be in FA)


91 posted on 01/05/2020 12:41:29 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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I used to teach the method in Iraq. Basically, you analyze the crater to determine the azimuth it came in on, and backplot that on a map. If you have more than one crater, where the lines intersect on the map is the point of origin. It takes at least 3 craters to get an accurate location. All very low tech, but it works. The problem we ran into in Iraq is that they would fire them from disposable tubes in the middle of the wasteland, jump in the truck, and be gone before the rockets even landed.


92 posted on 01/05/2020 12:41:31 PM PST by dereknunley
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Likely launching from hospitals and schools.


100 posted on 01/05/2020 12:46:32 PM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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I read years ago that the military had a means of computing the origin of mortars.

Counter-battery radar has existed since the late Vietnam war.

“IF” that is correct, can the US do so?

The tech has progressed to the point where mortar launch points can be located.
There was a video made by Iraqi insurgents years ago, that shows a crewman loading and firing a mortar while saying "Allahu Akbar" with each shot. In the distance a muffled shot can be heard and seconds later the jihadi and his mortar are blasted to smithereens.

101 posted on 01/05/2020 12:46:50 PM PST by Spirochete (GOP: Gutless Old Party)
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Yes they do. It works off of acoustics. It can pin point a mortar pit location on first round and blow it.


104 posted on 01/05/2020 12:56:41 PM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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Well known.

What is now the US Army Research Lab, got its start a *long* time ago (before Viet Nam) as the Ballistic Research Lab. They had one of the first electronic computers, specifically to calculate artillery trajectories.

(I'm surprised Faecesbook or someone doesn't have it as an app by now.)

111 posted on 01/05/2020 1:13:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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Counter-battery radar was deployed in Vietnam. It worked well then. I suspect it is a lot better now.


124 posted on 01/05/2020 1:40:20 PM PST by GingisK
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If they did years ago, they can sure as hell do it now. They’re already fitting the equipment onto various armor and othe mobile platforms.


131 posted on 01/05/2020 2:03:25 PM PST by AFreeBird
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Contrary to a guided missile, rockets have a arc or trajectory if you prefer that term, and it is possible to use that arc and speed to compute its point of origination.

Problem is that the iranians *spit* have mobile launch platforms. The problem for the iranians *spit* is that these are easily trackable via satellite and who know what else we currently have flirting about in near space.

Hopefully, current events will encourage the Persians to rise up against the iranian *spit* mullahs and reclaim their civilization.

135 posted on 01/05/2020 2:21:34 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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