Before you know it, you got coffee bars, widescreen TVs, rock bands, Yahni hymnals, and rainbow colored tippets.
Posted on 01/05/2020 6:03:03 AM PST by Kaslin
If the reports are true, then “a tentative plan” has been put in place “to split the [Methodist] church over differences on same-sex marriage and the inclusion of gay clergy.”
In 2019, “The division, which has been brewing for years, came to an impasse last May when delegates in St. Louis voted 438-384 to ban gay marriage and the inclusion of gay clergy.
“A majority of U.S.-based churches opposed the ‘Traditional Plan’ but were outvoted by conservatives in the U.S., Africa and the Philippines.”
Assuming that this split actually takes place, what will happen to these two branches, one conservative and the other liberal?
The answer is easy, based on history and common spiritual sense.
History says that the conservative branch will grow and the liberal branch will diminish.
This has been the pattern for decades, as I documented in 2015, citing a major study dating back to 1972 written by Dean M. Kelley: Why Conservative Churches are Growing: A Study in Sociology of Religion.
As Kelly wrote almost 50 years ago, “Amid the current neglect and hostility toward organized religion in general, the conservative churches, holding to seemingly outmoded theology and making strict demands on their members, have equaled or surpassed in growth the early percentage increases of the nation’s population.”
As for the liberal churches, he noted, “The mainline denominations [which were becoming increasingly liberal] will continue to exist on a diminishing scale for decades, perhaps for centuries, and will continue to supply some people with a dilute and undemanding form of meaning, which may be all they want.”
For a host of reasons, this pattern will continue with the two Methodist branches.
The conservative branch, preaching the Scriptures without apology, adhering to timeless moral values, and offering adherents a true encounter with the risen Lord, will gain members.
The liberal branch, reinterpreting the Scriptures and apologizing for the Bible and redefining morality, will lose members.
As I pointed out in my 2015 article, “Writing in the Federalist in August, 2014, Alexander Griswold noted that, “Every major American church that has taken steps towards liberalization on sexual issues has seen a steep decline in membership.” (His article was titled, “How to Shrink Your Church in One Easy Step.”)
More broadly, this is confirmed by data just released by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity.
Roughly 120 years ago, the Center claims that there were about 80 million Evangelicals and less than 1 million Pentecostals/Charismatics worldwide. (These terms might be anachronistic for the year 1900, but they are being used to trace particular groups over the last 120 years. And, of course, there is overlap between the two groups, which are both very conservative theologically.)
Today, those numbers, globally, are put at 354 million Evangelicals and 694 million Pentecostals/Charismatics. Projection for 2050 puts these groups at 581 million and 1 billion, 89 million respectively.
This is the growth-curve of Bible-based Christianity, especially one that emphasizes the ongoing ministry of the Spirit.
The Center’s data, does not isolate liberal denominations, so their decline cannot be pointed to in the chart linked here. But further confirmation comes from a January 4, 2017 article in the Washington Post, which noted that, “Liberal churches are dying. But conservative churches are thriving. A Canadian study found that conservative churches are still growing, while less orthodox congregations dwindle away.”
No surprise in the least.
To be sure, if the conservative congregations are hypocritical, dead, and legalistic, they too will dwindle away. But if they preach Jesus, welcome the Spirit, exalt the Word, and reach out to their community, they will thrive.
And this leads us to the subject of spiritual common sense.
The liberal branch will become more liberal.
Specifically, they will question some of the fundamental tenets of the faith (including the inspiration of the Scriptures, the virgin birth and the resurrection, the second coming, and more; much of this is happening already). They will become more universalistic (meaning, salvation is not exclusively through Jesus). And they will move further and further away from biblical morality.
In short, fidelity to LGBT activism will trump fidelity to God’s Word.
Watch and see. (For a recent, shocking example from Sweden, see here.)
In contrast, the conservative churches will remain steady, since they are not reacting. They are simply maintaining their historic stance, believing what John Wesley, the founder of the Methodists believed, and affirming what Jesus and Paul taught.
As one African Methodist leader stated in early 2019, “I’m happy to go back to old ladies and old men in villages who received the Bible from missionaries and let them know that the Bible hasn’t changed.”
In the end, while it is sad to see division and separation, some of it is necessary and even for the best.
When it comes to the Methodist Church, as the years unfold, it will be not be seen so much as a separation between fellow-Christians.
Instead, it will be seen as a separation between the wheat and the weeds or the sheep and the goats, to use the imagery of Jesus.
Watch and see.
In the divorce, which side will control the bank account and ownership of the real property?
Will individuals profit from the sale of real property or will the proceeds go to like-minded entity.
Follow the money.
Homosexuality is the sharp tip of Satan’s spear; where it penetrates, great damage follows.
Today’s great division in Jesus’ church is from homosexuals and their advocates. Progressives (cultural Marxists, leftists, Democrats) are the queers’ enablers.
“As one African Methodist leader stated in early 2019, “I’m happy to go back to old ladies and old men in villages who received the Bible from missionaries and let them know that the Bible hasn’t changed.””
African Christians consider America a mission field.
Before you know it, you got coffee bars, widescreen TVs, rock bands, Yahni hymnals, and rainbow colored tippets.
What is beyond me, is why the “woke” want to be accepted by the traditional Methodists.
The Church that is faithful to God will triumph. Period. End of Story.
There’s a mega church in my area that has it’s own gift shop.
“There’s a mega church in my area that has it’s own gift shop.”
That’s just wrong.
The cathedral of the catholic diocese in my area also has a gift shop. It never occurred to me how that might be problematic.
Roughly 120 years ago, the Center claims that there were about 80 million Evangelicals and less than 1 million Pentecostals/Charismatics worldwide.
Today, those numbers, globally, are put at 354 million Evangelicals and 694 million Pentecostals/Charismatics. Projection for 2050 puts these groups at 581 million and 1 billion, 89 million respectively.
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The growth of ‘Christian’ acceptance of homosexuality is obviously very troubling. But the bottom line issue is disregard for the word of God. And on that front the growth of Charismatic churches is also troubling and if I wanted to be harsh could be theorized to be sort of a virus injected into Christianity in that while it grows, it causes harm to the overall growth of Christianity.
In regard to the word of God and Charismatic churches, I am referring to female Pastors and speaking in tongues. The Bible is very clear on both topics yet Charismatic churches pay no attention to what the Bible says concerning these issues. Like churches that accept homosexuality, Charismatic churches glorify these issues I believe simply because it feels good and grows numbers in their church. But it hurts Christian growth overall because, frankly, in cases of speaking in tongues for example, it makes Christians looks nuts to those on the outside. And that is just what the Bible says would happen and why rules are there concerning the issue. Rules that are completely ignored by Charismatic churches like other churches ignore scripture concerning homosexuality.
“ The cathedral of the catholic diocese in my area also has a gift shop. It never occurred to me how that might be problematic.”
It might depend on what they sell.
“In the divorce, which side will control the bank account and ownership of the real property?”
Certainly there is a reason there is no provision for proportional distribution of assets.
Methodists embraced divorce a long time ago so they should be old-hands at dividing assets.
Look at the handling of assets by the PCUSA when its congregants chose to split the blanket.
Read the fine print in the constitution and corporate bylaws.
They don't want to be accepted by the traditional Methodists. They want to destroy the traditional Methodists.
“ There’s a mega church in my area that has it’s own gift shop.”
The Vatican has a gift shop.
“They don’t want to be accepted by the traditional Methodists. They want to destroy the traditional Methodists.”
I think those are the same thing.
An if statement has been added to the procedure.
My church has a gift shop. I’ve bought several good books there.
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