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Rand Paul: U.S. Soldiers ‘Deserve Better’ than Undeclared War with Iran
Breitbart ^ | 3 Jan 2020 | JOSHUA CAPLAN

Posted on 01/03/2020 7:25:18 AM PST by RandFan

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) reacted Friday to the U.S.’s deadly airstrike on a top Iranian military commander, stating that it would be “feckless” for the country to wage war against the Islamic regime without Congressional authorization.

“President Trump viscerally understands that the toppling of Saddam Hussein made Iran stronger. Soleimani, like Hussein, was an evil man who ordered the killing of Americans. Yet, the question remains, whether his death will lead to more instability in the Middle East or less,” Paul wrote on Twitter. “The question today is whether the assassination of Soleimani will expand the war to endanger the lives of every American soldier or diplomat in the Middle East?”

“If we are to go to war w/ Iran the Constitution dictates that we declare war. A war without a Congressional declaration is a recipe for feckless intermittent eruptions of violence w/ no clear mission for our soldiers,” the senator added. “Our young men and women in the armed services deserve better.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; kentucky; qasemsoleimani; qudsforce; randpaul; randstroll; skinheadsonfr
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To: RandFan

Eeeek! Eeeeek!

The Iranians might attack our embassy in Iraq or something!

They might attack oil tankers or something!

Here’s what they could do.

They could stay the hell out of Iraq and quit attacking us.

Maybe they could take care of their own people.


41 posted on 01/03/2020 7:46:18 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RandFan

The USA deserves better than a pussy that constantly insults and hates the USA.


42 posted on 01/03/2020 7:46:23 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: RandFan

Yep, Rand is right, because when I want ideas on how to defend America I routinely ask eye Doctors.

/sarc>

CC


43 posted on 01/03/2020 7:47:07 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: RetiredArmy
Just go back and read your post again to understand how idiotic it is for the U.S. to get involved in ANY of these foreign fiascos.

A nation that gives $150 billion to a foreign country under one administration ... and then turns around and treats that same country as an adversary under another administration ... has no business farting around like this in international affairs.

Those of us here on FR who advocate an aggressive U.S. foreign policy as long as "our side" is in the White House should consider this, and then realize that we are basically vindicating all those State Department and CIA pr!cks who were paraded before Adam Schitt's House committee. That cabal of unelected bureaucrats was built to undermine our own elected government for all the reasons you see justified here on threads like this.

44 posted on 01/03/2020 7:47:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: RandFan; Drew68

In most cases yes. But even his father Ron understood that sometimes immediate reprisal actions are indeed necessary and the Constitution does indeed give this power of immediate reprisal to the President of the United States. Even Ron agreed that an immediate quick targeted effective reprisal to nip it in the bud and make a serious point is much better than delay and dragging out an extended war. “Get it done, make it stick, and then come home”. Sometimes time is of extreme importance and cannot and should not be delayed or the losses and costs are a thousand times more in the long run.

There is not one person here who is not going to immediately hit someone back if someone hits them. They are not going to wait 6 months to ask and wait for permission from someone else to do so. And they have a basic human right of self defense to do so.


45 posted on 01/03/2020 7:47:38 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: VanDeKoik

I say at the VERY LEAST:

If we take over Iran as Iraq then:

ALL THE OIL IS *OURS*.

Yes, ALL of it.

Every g*d-damned drop.


46 posted on 01/03/2020 7:47:54 AM PST by gaijin
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To: RandFan

“If we are to go to war w/ Iran...”

Sissy boy doesn’t know civics or international law. Defending one’s self from attack is not a war. We didn’t go and invade Iran for their attacks in Iraq.

Sissy boy is a drama queen looking for a microphone.


47 posted on 01/03/2020 7:48:10 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Alberta's Child

So the plan is something that is absurd especially in light of the attempt to storm the embassy, and step 2 is the cliched “arrest everyone” fantasy that gets floated on FR that no one remotely takes seriously, but sounds “bad ass”?


48 posted on 01/03/2020 7:49:27 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: ConservativeWarrior
But according to Pompeo’s earlier interview, we had solid evidence of American lives in immediate risk.

There was a time when that might have meant something to me.

But it's either comical or pathetic (or both) to think there are some people here on Free Republic who actually still believe anything that came from "U.S. intelligence" sources.

49 posted on 01/03/2020 7:49:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: Drew68

“feckless”

That word has been painfully overused in public pronouncements over the past 12 months. Is it the new “F-word”? It doesn’t make sense here.


50 posted on 01/03/2020 7:50:16 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: gaijin

“in the biz of “nation-building””

Don’t be fooled. We’re not in Afghanistan for nation building. We couldn’t care less what happens to that nation. Besides, we don’t have the resources there to perform the level of nation building that craphole needs.

We’re there to monitor Iran’s nuclear program.


51 posted on 01/03/2020 7:50:24 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, what you’re saying is that Iraq could have been a better place ( better being relative ) has Saddam Hussein continued to rule the place?

Yes.

You never heard of ISIS or Iranian-backed militias in Iraq before 2003, did you?

52 posted on 01/03/2020 7:50:45 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: Drew68

All too often Senator Paul appears to be the only one in Washington DC who has actually read the Constitution.


go cry me a river... you try to smoke one of our embassies and you get smoked.


53 posted on 01/03/2020 7:50:58 AM PST by Levy78
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To: Drew68

> Senator Paul is talking about the eventual escalation. <

Right. Nowhere does Paul say that the strike was a bad thing, a terrible thing. Instead he is saying that the quaint old Constitution must be followed if a major action is contemplated.

“If we are to go to war w/ Iran the Constitution dictates that we declare war.“


54 posted on 01/03/2020 7:51:06 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: RandFan

Declare war at noon.
“Bomb the sh!t out them” at 12:15.
Does that work, Rand?


55 posted on 01/03/2020 7:52:04 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (God issued a commandment against envy. What others have is not our business. - Star Parker)
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To: Leaning Right

There won’t be war. Get a grip, people!


56 posted on 01/03/2020 7:52:25 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Leaning Right
Right. Nowhere does Paul say that the strike was a bad thing, a terrible thing. Instead he is saying that the quaint old Constitution must be followed if a major action is contemplated.

Thank you. I thought I was the only person who understood this to be the case.

57 posted on 01/03/2020 7:52:29 AM PST by Drew68
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To: RandFan

Barry did it. War Powers Act of 1973 is still much debated, but allows fast POTUS action of U.S. citizens are under attack.

http://volokh.com/2011/06/16/the-growing-conflict-over-the-legality-of-the-libya-intervention/


58 posted on 01/03/2020 7:53:46 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: VanDeKoik

My point is that if we’re not willing to pursue an absurd idea like the one I posted, then we shouldn’t even be involved in these debacles in Islam sh!t-holes in the first place.


59 posted on 01/03/2020 7:53:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, what you’re saying is that Iraq could have been a better place ( better being relative ) has Saddam Hussein continued to rule the place?

I'll say it as well, YES!

We've spent THREE TRILLION DOLLARS in Iraq. And for what? It's in shambles.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

60 posted on 01/03/2020 7:54:26 AM PST by Drew68
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