Buttigieg: No Jail Time for Possession of Any Drug — Including Meth, Cocaine

brietbart.com ^ | 12/26/2019 | pam key

[rktman]

On Monday, during an interview with the Des Moines Register, 2020 presidential hopeful mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Pete Buttigieg said drug possession should not result in jail time.

Buttigieg said, “Incarceration should not even be a response to drug possession. What I have seen is while there continues to be all kinds of harms associated with drug possession and use, it is also the case that we have created in an effort to deal with a public health problem, we have created an even bigger problem — a justice problem, and it’s own form of a health problem when you think about the adverse aspects on a child. We have kids in South Bend who have grown up with the incarnation of a parent as one of their first experiences.

[DoughtyOne]

You used it first bright guy.

[NobleFree]

I showed exactly where I said the opposite of what you're claiming I said. Now show me exactly where you gave the answer you claim to have given. Or cling to your cowardly evasion - it exposes the weakness of your position.

[DoughtyOne]

My position is doing just fine.

“How much of your money and your family’s was taken by the government and spent on protecting the cartels’ monopoly in the drug market?”

Hmm, I wonder who said that?

Are foreign drugs interdicted and the traffickers put in prison?

Why yes they are.

If you need help, just ask for it.

[NobleFree]

“How much of your money and your family’s was taken by the government and spent on protecting the cartels’ monopoly in the drug market?”

Hmm, I wonder who said that?

Are foreign drugs interdicted and the traffickers put in prison?

Why yes they are.

*IF* caught; that risk is small enough to leave illegal sellers doing well, but large enough to protect them from law-abiding potential competitors as I said.

Your cowardly evasion of my question in post #151 remains.

[DoughtyOne]

Can you remind us how many people died per year related to prohibition?

In 2017 over 10,000 people died from alcohol related automobile accidents alone. Tens of thousands of others were inured seriously. LINK

Alcohol played a role in 55% of domestic abuse cases. LINK

Between 960,000 and 3,000,000 cases of domestic abuse occur each year. LINK

You like to mention how much better things are with legalized alcohol. I'm not for going back to prohibition, but I am not in favor of expanding these problems by adding legalized methods of getting high and exacerbating the issues we now face with Alcohol abuse.

We have 10,000 people dying each year with alcohol. IMO < adding narcotics to the picture would expand that with each legalized drug.

Some people will prefer alcohol. Some will prefer morphine. Others will prefer Heroin. Some will favor Fentanyl.

With each new product, those who find one to be their favorite, up will go the death of innocents.

I don't believe there is a perfect answer. Making things illegal doesn't bring about clean fixes. Making things egal doesn't either.

In one of my first posts, I stated that nobody had died in my family from drug abuse. We all early on decided that abiding by the law was the best policy.

Nancy Reagan had the right idea. "Just Say No!"

While that is somewhat trite, drug abuse in our high schools dropped precipitously during her campaign.

When Clinton came along, it went right back up.

[DoughtyOne]

I laugh at you and your opinion that you are superior.

Your attempts at besting me on this topic have left you desperate for anything to grab onto.

Keep calling me a coward all you like, as if your opinion mattered to me

[NobleFree]

Can you remind us how many people died per year related to prohibition?

Figure 4: Homicide Rate: 1910-44

Source: Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970 (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1975), part 1, p. 414.

In 2017 over 10,000 people died from alcohol related automobile accidents alone. Tens of thousands of others were inured seriously. LINK

Alcohol played a role in 55% of domestic abuse cases. LINK

Between 960,000 and 3,000,000 cases of domestic abuse occur each year. LINK

You like to mention how much better things are with legalized alcohol. I'm not for going back to prohibition

Why not, if its legality is as bad as you say?

[txnativegop]

FYI George Washington was the largest producer of Rye whiskey in the US after the Revolutionary War.
Americans have always been hard-drinking types, good or bad, that is just who we are.

[cherry]

butty doesn’t think growing up as child with drugged out parents is all that bad.

[NobleFree]

And for a few generations now, many of us have enjoyed marijuana - despite its illegality. That's also who we are. And I hope that keeping our noses out of other people's business is still who we are.

[NobleFree]

If you support the legality of alcohol, does that mean you don’t think growing up as child with drunk parents is all that bad?

[DoughtyOne]

I quoted the statistics.

Since your stats are not pinned to prohibition itself, I don’t think your data provides much in the way of comparison.

I didn’t provide homicide rates and connect them to alcohol today.

I suppose I could provide homicide rates today, just toss them out there too.

Wouldn’t really pertain to this issue.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL

Your comments are on the forum.

As stated, it was total BS.

[NobleFree]

Since your stats are not pinned to prohibition itself, I don’t think your data provides much in the way of comparison.

So the fact that homicide was higher during Prohibition than before or after - that's sheer coincidence? LMAO!

I'm not for going back to prohibition

Why not, if its legality is as bad as you say?

Strangely, you don't seem to have answered this question. I wonder why not.

[DoughtyOne]

Because I’m not in favor of changing it now.

I don’t need to have a better excuse for you.

The fact is, alcohol abuse does cause a lot of death and mayhem in this nation each year.

You want to point to it as the better way to go.

I’m not buying in on expanding the problems associated with it to other products.

[NobleFree]

Because I’m not in favor of changing it now.

I don’t need to have a better excuse for you.

There you are, lurkers - the anti-legal-pot-pro-legal-alcohol position boils down to 'just cuz'.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[DoughtyOne]

Oh you poor thing. Are you going to be okay. Would you like me to call someone to come over and help you over this hurdle?

I know someone having a valid disagreement on this topic is tough for your bruised psyche.

You’ll probably get through it. Hope so...

[Mr. Jeeves]

So then, no jail time for possession of any gun - including fully automatic weapons. :)

Criminalizing possession of things has always a very slippery slope, but I don't think the Left wants decriminalization any more than the Right does - they just want to cherry pick a few items that they think will buy them the most votes.

[NobleFree]

a valid disagreement

"I don’t need to have a better excuse for you" is "a valid disagreement"?! ROTFL!

[DoughtyOne]

Laugh all you like, you provided no connection to homicides documented to be related to alcohol consumption.

During these years there was also increased poverty, and times were desperate.

Would it be reasoned for me to point that out and claim the elevated stats could only be related to that?

I would say that some of the elevated stats were related to alcohol. You provided no documentation to know what percent of it was. 100%? 50%? 25%? We just don’t know.