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A Nuclear Milestone for Climate
WSJ ^ | Dec 12, 2019 | WSJ

Posted on 12/12/2019 7:13:26 PM PST by Brilliant

You probably haven’t heard about a recent regulatory decision that will reduce carbon emissions because it doesn’t follow the green template of controlling private industry and suppressing economic growth.

Last week the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) for the first time extended a nuclear plant’s license so it can operate for 80 years. The decision for the Turkey Point reactors in south Florida could encourage other plant owners to apply for renewals and extend the viability of the leading carbon-free energy source.

A majority of the 58 nuclear plants now supplying power to U.S. homes and businesses were built in the 1970s and 1980s, when they were licensed for 40 years. Most plants have applied for and received 20-year extensions to bring their life spans to 60 years. Yet antinuclear activists use the license renewal periods to pressure plants to close, and until the Turkey Point decision it was an open question whether the NRC would approve second 20-year extensions...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fakescience; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; gretathunberg; nuclearpower; nuketheclimate; scoldilocks
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1 posted on 12/12/2019 7:13:26 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Now that Harry Reid is gone, can we ship the waste to Nevada?


2 posted on 12/12/2019 7:17:16 PM PST by cgbg (The Democratic Party is morphing into the Donner Party)
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To: cgbg

That should be the first executive order for the second term.


3 posted on 12/12/2019 7:18:45 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The news media and the scientists have been screaming global warming for 40 years.

But it hasn’t gotten any warmer.

Marxists took over the news and science and corrupted it in an attempt to brainwash us.


4 posted on 12/12/2019 7:34:25 PM PST by rurgan (Democrats are socialists. Vote for Trump or the US will be Venezuela)
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To: Brilliant
CO2-Something needed for Plants to grow makes for lots of green, and resulting in release of O2 as a waste product, which humans need.

Nuclear waste? Ask Japan how well Fukushima turned out. Have we figured out where to store nuclear waste or how to render it harmless to humans? CO2 crap makes no sense to me. If you are worried about CO2, plant some trees--it doesn't take many to offset your family's so called carbon foot print.

5 posted on 12/12/2019 7:34:57 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Add-in Chernobyl, which is still glowing.


6 posted on 12/12/2019 7:41:47 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: carriage_hill

For Sure—I thought about it. Wasn’t sure how to spell it and didn’t want to bother looking it up. LOL


7 posted on 12/12/2019 7:58:09 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: Brilliant

Every time they say GlobalClimateWarmingChange the resounding response should be “then build more nuke plants!”
Maybe that would cool their ardor for this #FakeScience climate hoax.


8 posted on 12/12/2019 8:08:37 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Brilliant

Every Nuclear power plant is leaking. It would take 1 year to shut them down.

Nuclear power is an abomination.


9 posted on 12/12/2019 8:54:06 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Glad2bnuts; Brilliant; TigersEye; carriage_hill; greeneyes; rurgan; cgbg
Every Nuclear power plant is leaking.

And yet hundreds of thousands of people live right next to them and lead healthy normal lives.

It would take 1 year to shut them down.

And replace the power they generate with what? Hamsters? Nuclear Power supplies over 20% of the countries electric power.

Thanks to Obama much of our coal generation has been decommissioned and can not be restarted.

Sorry honey child you’re stuck with nuclear power like it or not. You can not run the US power grid on windmills.

Given 10 years you might be able to build enough gas turbines to supply the grid but that would require a lot of new buried gas pipelines and you would drive up the price of gas.

Nuclear power is here to stay. We should be building new plants. The new designs are safer and less complex. We really should have a diverse mix of generation technologies. It makes strategic sense.

10 posted on 12/12/2019 11:32:23 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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NIMBY. I prefer natural gas, as the current workhorse.

We still have coal, natural gas and gasoline etc. There’s plenty of energy and we don’t need to try to replace everything with windmills and solar panels. Although if everyone wanted to have a windmill and solar panels and get off the grid-they are welcome to it.

Diversity yes, but solve the problem of rendering nuclear waste harmless —safer ain’t gonna cut it.


11 posted on 12/13/2019 12:24:09 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes
Diversity yes, but solve the problem of rendering nuclear waste harmless —safer ain’t gonna cut it.

Name any other waste that is harmless. The critter doesn’t exist.

12 posted on 12/13/2019 12:52:49 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Pontiac

Many things are much less harmful than Nuclear waste. I only posted on this thread because I think objecting to decent fuel because it increases CO2 is ludicrous.

And suggesting that nuclear waste is less harmless than CO2 is also ludicrous. But if you would like to have all nuclear waste delivered to your backyard, that could probably be arranged.


13 posted on 12/13/2019 1:05:03 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes
And suggesting that nuclear waste is less harmless than CO2 is also ludicrous.

I don’t suggest that nuclear waste is harmless. I suggest that you maintain a reasonable perspective. Any substance is only harmful if you are exposed to it. You can only be exposed to it if you can come near it.

Nuclear waste is store where the public can not come near it. It is stored on the various nuclear power plant sites in pools or storage bunkers. It would be better if it were stored at the Yucca Mountain burial site, but Harry Reid put that option to rest. The only nuclear waste on our roads is DOD waste from naval vessels. With only two exceptions civilian nuclear waste hasn’t been on US roads since the 1960s.

There are substances moving about this country on highways or rail lines that are far more immediately deadly than nuclear waste and the public could be exposed to them at any time.

I ship hazardous materials for a living. I have a First Responders Guide in the driver’s door pocket of my truck at all times. I know that any truck or train wreck could lead to an evacuation of thousands of people (or deaths).

Either people are woefully ignorant of the dangers they are exposed to every day or they simply have an unreasonable fear of all things nuclear.

14 posted on 12/13/2019 1:37:12 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Pontiac

I think it is reasonable to ask that the problem of what to do with nuclear waste is solved before building more.

I also think it is stupid to tout nuclear fuel as being the great solution to too much CO2 — when CO2 is not really a problem. And it only takes a few trees to take care of a family’s so called carbon foot print.

NIMBY-NOT IN MY BACK YARD. That’s what the real situation is all over the USA. Realistically, ain’t no one gonna listen since Fukushima—their storage situation at that site didn’t work out so well.


15 posted on 12/13/2019 3:13:04 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

There are several solutions to the nuclear waste problem but political issues stand in the way of all of them. I mentioned Harry Reid. There is also the Thorium cycle alternative that produces waste that is much less radioactive.

As for Fukushima, that was a cultural problem as much as it was a design problem. The fact that their tsunami wall was not high enough was identified a decade before the earth quake. But nothing was done due to a cultural bias against admitting mistakes (dishonor). Correcting an error is admitting that you failed in your initial design.

That culture does not exist here (at least to that extent).

The main issue that led to the Fukushima accident was the loss of power to the emergency cooling pumps. That issue is resolved with the modern designs by instituting natural circulation in the advent of a loss of power to pumps. Simplified designs with fewer parts have greatly improved the safety of the plants and reduced the probability of a sever accident.


16 posted on 12/13/2019 4:10:49 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: greeneyes
"Ask Japan how well Fukushima turned out. Have we figured out where to store nuclear waste or how to render it harmless to humans?"

Fukushima wasn't nuclear WASTE, and it took a tsunami to make happen.

And yes, we do know how to store nuclear waste AND render it harmless to humans.

Stop drinking the anti-nuke/KGB brewed Kool-Aid.

17 posted on 12/13/2019 4:41:18 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Pontiac

A total difference of opinion. Nuclear should NEVER have been used to generate power. There is no way to clean up the mess, look at Hanford. Fifty years of leaking into the water table. Like Japan, the volume of water hides the danger. If we look closely, it is there.

Coal fired plants are the way to go. They are efficient and the CO2 they generate will bring in a new age of plenty on the entire Earth. We know how to dispose of that waste, as does the Earth.


18 posted on 12/13/2019 8:51:14 AM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Fukushima wasn’t nuclear WASTE,
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SEMANTICS. Their storage of nuclear “WASTE” on site made things worse, and it’s stupid to build nuclear plants in places that have earthquakes/natural disasters that could trigger problems such as this. Clearly they thought they had things under control and safe—they were mistaken.

Clearly, more research and effort needs to go into waste management and disaster planning for such situations. So call it whatever the heck you want—I call it nuclear waste and so do a lot of other people:

Storage of nuclear waste a ‘global crisis’: report
https://phys.org/news/2019-01-storage-nuclear-global-crisis.html

Jan 30, 2019The partial meltdown of Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant in 2011 made clear that the high-heat hazard of spent fuel pools is not hypothetical. ... Storage of nuclear waste a ‘global crisis …

Fukushima nuclear waste | Law-In-Action
https://law-in-action.com/tag/fukushima-nuclear-waste/
Posts about Fukushima nuclear waste written by Stoa.

More than 60,000 tons of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel is stored on the shores of four of the five Great Lakes at the Border between United States and Canada — in some cases, mere yards from the waterline — in still-growing stockpiles…It remains on the shorelines because there’s still nowhere else to put it…

Fukushima: Storage tanks are full, radioactive waste to be ...
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/fukushima-storage-tanks-are-full-radioactive-waste-to-be-dumped-straight-into-the-ocean/

Oct 1, 2019Even though the nuclear disaster in Fukushima took place over seven years ago, radioactive waste has continued to build up as ground water flows through the destroyed reactor buildings and becomes contaminated. This creates a staggering 160 tons of contaminated water each day.

The Worst Is Yet To Come? Why Nuclear Experts Are Calling ...
https://carolynbaker.net/2012/05/05/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-why-nuclear-experts-are-calling-fukushima-a-ticking-time-bomb-by-brad-jacobson/

May 5, 2012A press release issued after his visit said that Wyden, a senior member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources who is highly experienced with nuclear waste storage issues, believes the situation is “worse than reported,” with “spent fuel rods currently being stored in unsound structures immediately adjacent to the …

60,000 tons of dangerous radioactive waste sits on Great ...
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/60000-tons-of-dangerous-radioactive-waste-sits-on-great-lakes-shores/69-606371485
More than 60,000 tons of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel is stored on the shores of four of the five Great Lakes — in some cases, mere yards from the waterline — in still-growing …

Hanford, Not Fukushima, is the Big ... - CounterPunch
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/29/hanford-not-fukushima-is-the-big-radiological-threat-to-the-west-coast/

Apr 29, 2016Hanford, Not Fukushima, is the Big Radiological Threat to the West Coast. It includes dangers to public health, dangers to the food supply, and dangers to future generations from long-lived radionuclides, including some of the most toxic material in the world. It is not Fukushima, it is Hanford.

Radioactive leaks found at 75% of US nuke sites - CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/radioactive-leaks-found-at-75-of-us-nuke-sites/

Jun 21, 2011Radioactive leaks found at 75% of US nuke sites. For example, cesium-137 turned up with tritium at the Fort Calhoun nuclear unit near Omaha, Neb., in 2007. Strontium-90 was discovered with tritium two years earlier at the Indian Point nuclear power complex, where two reactors operate 25 miles north of New York City.

Radioactive Water Leaks From Illinois Nuclear Plants
https://projects.bettergov.org/power-struggle/leaks.html
Nov 17, 2017Radioactive waste continues to pour from Exelon’s Illinois nuclear power plants more than a decade after discovery of chronic leaks led to national outrage, a $1.2 million government settlement and a company vow to guard against future accidents. Reporters Brett Chase and Madison Hopkins break down “Power Struggle.”. Shot by Alex Garcia.
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NUCLEAR WASTE or whatever you call it IS a problem that needs to be STUDIED and SOLVED—not ignored and DENIED.


19 posted on 12/13/2019 10:09:48 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: Glad2bnuts

A total difference of opinion. Nuclear should NEVER have been used to generate power. There is no way to clean up the mess, look at Hanford. Fifty years of leaking into the water table. Like Japan, the volume of water hides the danger. If we look closely, it is there.

Coal fired plants are the way to go. They are efficient and the CO2 they generate will bring in a new age of plenty on the entire Earth. We know how to dispose of that waste, as does the Earth.
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Well said. Make the earth green again-feed the trees and plants LOL.


20 posted on 12/13/2019 10:14:05 AM PST by greeneyes
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