Posted on 11/14/2019 2:09:46 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
But its even worse than it looks. And this time, there is no jobs crisis. This time, its the result of greed by subprime lenders.
Serious auto-loan delinquencies auto loans that are 90 days or more past due in the third quarter of 2019, after an amazing trajectory, reached a historic high of $62 billion, according to data from the New York Fed today:
This $62 billion of seriously delinquent loan balances are what auto lenders, particularly those that specialize in subprime auto loans, such as Santander Consumer USA, Credit Acceptance Corporation, and many smaller specialized lenders are now trying to deal with. If they cannot cure the delinquency, theyre hiring specialized companies that repossess the vehicles to be sold at auction. The difference between the loan balance and the proceeds from the auction, plus the costs involved, are what a lender loses on the deal.
The repo business, however, is booming.
But delinquencies are a flow: As current delinquencies are hitting the lenders balance sheet and income statement, the flow continues and more loans are becoming delinquent. And lenders are still making new loans to risky customers and a portion of those loans will become delinquent too. And now the flow of delinquent loans is increasing and this isnt going to stop anytime soon: These loans are out there and new one are being added to them, and a portion of them will be defaulting.
Total outstanding balances of auto loans and leases in Q3, according to the New York Feds measure (higher and more inclusive than the Federal Reserve Board of Governors consumer credit data) rose to $1.32 trillion:
Serious delinquencies jumped to 4.71% of these $1.32 trillion in total loans and leases outstanding, the highest since Q4 2011, when the auto industry was emerging from collapse. And on the way up, this 4.71% is just above the level of Q3 2009, months after GM and Chrysler had filed for bankruptcy and a year after Lehman had filed for bankruptcy, when the US was confronting the worst unemployment crisis since the Great Depression, and when people were defaulting on their auto loans because theyd lost their jobs:
The current rate of 4.71% is just 56 basis points below the peak of Q4 2010. But these are the good times and not an employment crisis, when millions of people who lost their jobs cannot make their loan payments.
So what is going to happen to auto loan delinquencies when employment experiences a pullback, even a fairly modest one, such as when one million people lose their jobs? That was a rhetorical question. We know what will happen: The serious delinquency rate will set a record for the annals of history. But its even worse than it looks.
Prime auto loans have minuscule default rates. The total of $1.3 billion in auto loans and leases outstanding includes leases to consumers who could pay cash for the vehicles but lease them for various reasons. According to a different measure by Fitch, prime auto loans currently have a 60-day delinquency rate hovering at a historically low 0.28%.
Of the $1.32 trillion in auto loans outstanding, about 22% are subprime, so about $300 billion. Of them roughly, $62 billion are seriously delinquent or around 20% of all subprime loans outstanding. One in five!
But this subprime delinquency fiasco is not a sign of an employment crisis and a brutal recession as these types of numbers indicated during the Financial Crisis. Employment is still growing, and unemployment claims are near historic lows. Nevertheless, subprime auto loans are defaulting at astounding rates. Whats going on? Greed not an economic crisis.
Subprime lending is risky but immensely profitable. The thing is: Customers who have a subprime credit rating are painfully aware of it. They have been turned down for low-interest rate loans. They have been turned away. And now they walk on a car lot where their credit rating suddenly is no problem. And they become sitting ducks. The industry knows this.
They dont even negotiate. They just accept the price, the payment, the interest rate, and the trade-in value. Theyre ecstatic to get a car. And they end up with a huge payment at a high interest rate, and given how strung out they already are to be subprime rated in the first place, that loan is doomed.
Thats the irony: a low-interest-rate loan on an affordable car, sold at an average profit, would give the customer a much higher chance of keeping the loan current than a loan with a 15% interest rate on a car the customer cannot afford, including a big-fat dealer profit of the type that can only be obtained from a sitting duck. Those loans, born out of greed, and are doomed.
This is what were seeing here. These loans were born out of greed over the past few years, as the industry was getting very aggressive in pursuing subprime rated customers because theyre sitting ducks and so immensely profitable. What were seeing now are the consequences of that greed.
No,the lenders have to make these loans because rates are so low that they cannot stay in business otherwise.
It also means that the default rates on everything else will shoot up because people NEED to get to work.
It is an early indicator that the debt tower is getting pretty high.
My 2016 escape is the last car I buy off a dealer lot. Will have paid 24k over 6 years for the bloody thing. Now I have enough cars where I do not have to work on one all weekend to keep one running for the week, as was the case when I got the escape.
I would not touch a repo vehicle with a barge pole.
Do you really think that people who will take on cars with outlandish interest rates and then not be able to make the payments will keep up with the maintenance schedule?
You will be lucky to get 50% off the normal life out of those vehicles.
I have a Toyota 4Runner with 215K miles. With basic maintenance, it has given me zero problems. Its rusting in spots. I like having an old car, and staying "under the radar" although I could afford a new one. Recently, some cretin put a big ding in my bumper while my car was parked in a shopping-mall parking lot. Having an old car, it didn't bother me too much.
And what is the point of making money in this case? It is not that you should waste in on 85k F-150 or Escalade but...
I paid 30K for a used truck that has appreciated over $10,000 in 5 years.
A Mercedes Benz U1300L Unimog.
I wonder what color the sky is on that world? 🤔😕
Yup. Why go into debt over something that loses value with every passing year ad with every mile you drive?
As I said, that just seems insane. One of the things that I thought was weird about what he was telling me, was when he would tell the salesman that he was paying cash, it was like they didn't really want to talk to him anymore. They really were more interested in selling the note than the truck.
They really were more interested in selling the note than the truck.
Youre right. In my first life I was in that business. Its called dealer reserve.
A bonus percentage paid to the dealer on each sale.With full recourse agreement, dealer could sell unlimited volume without any approvals and still get the reserve. We had the biggest dealership in America of a very popular vehicle. Everybody was making huge $. We had six repo agencies working for us. As long as we could return the car to the dealer, wed be paid in full. It was like a pyramid scheme.
Got 3 kids to put through college for one. Traveling with the family is a better to spend money. Activities, new experiences, etc. For me a car just gets you from a to b. But like I said, if you dig expensive cars, to each his own.
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